Incubator:Requests for deletions/Archive/3

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2019

Wikinews projects in languages of the Russian Federation

I'll wait to see how people respond here. I do keep in mind how much work it takes to keep a Wikinews project going. However, all three of these languages have Wikipedias already, so they presumably could have Wikinews projects if they wish (and get that far). And as the ongoing situation with Western Armenian Wikipedia attests, we can also manage to approve a project that has incubation content in two different places. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Wn/tt

I'm a bit confused by this test project, this looks like a Tatar language edition of Wikinews test project, which is however, according to Meta-Wiki notes, the Russian Wikinews already served Wikinews in this language, and a list of Tatar pages can also be found at n:ru:Категория:Бастырылган, so I'm wondering if Tatar users really wanna split their project or not.

Pinging ruwikinews sysops @Artem Korzhimanov, DonSimon, Krassotkin, Schekinov Alexey Victorovich, Ssr:@TarzanASG, Фильтр злоупотреблений: and ttwiki sysops@Derslek, Marat Vildanov, Marat-avgust, Фильтр злоупотреблений: to let them provide their opinions here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Frhdkazan, Тимерхан: --Ssr (talk) 11:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Russian Wikinews community deserves our gratitude for helping us within their Domestic multilingualism project, into which I contribute regularly. I would recommend to keep the separate test project, as it might eventually be better for us to move Tatar Wikinews into its own domain. At the moment, UG TAT members mainly concentrate their efforts in ttWP, but we already start seeing the benefits of having separate WikiBooks & see similar potential utility in the separate Wikinews (to lower the mandatory translation into Russian hurdle, which might eventually contribute into increasing participation). --Frhdkazan (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
• I'm also confusing since there's problem with co-existing for two places for one language edition, because of Akan and Twi problem. --60.26.9.13 07:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Wn/myv

Like #Wn/tt above, the Russian Wikinews also have an Erzya Wikinews, list of Erzya pages: n:ru:Категория:Нолдазь

Pinging myvwiki sysops @Erzianj jurnalist, Rueter, А тевде сувтеме:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

And ping two more members of m:Wikimedians of Erzya language User Group @Kaftaj, ZUFAr: --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please, keep this project. I hope we can start separately from russian wikinews. --Kaftaj (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Wn/sah

Like #Wn/tt above, the Russian Wikinews also have a Sakha/Yakut Wikinews, list of Sakha/Yakut pages: n:ru:Категория:Бэчээттэммит

Pinging sahwiki sysops @Egerman, HalanTul, Kyraha, Омсолоох дьайыы фильтра:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk)

These are two different approaches with different goals. For us, the test project is the predecessor of the project entirely in Sakha. Sakha news in the Russian Wikinews is a way to popularize Wikinews in the Sakha Republic, a way to support its Russian colleagues, a way to spread important republican news, as well as training. --HalanTul (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

For all

• Keep. These are two different approaches with different goals. There is writing multilingual news on Russian Wikinews. But here are separate language editions of Wikinews on Incubator. These approaches are not interchangeable. I hope these two independent approaches together will help create own Wikinews editions for these languages. --sasha (krassotkin) 17:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep, per above. By way, was created "soft redirect" for Wn/ba. Maybe would be a good idea to create similar templates for other languages from this list. --Kaganer (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

  We can do that eventually. But we'd handle it differently, since projects also exist here. Hold off for the moment. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

  Yes, this may be combined: Project design in the Incubator and working space in the Russian Wikinews. --Kaganer (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep per above from top to bottom: it's true that two approaches can be later combined and interlinked. This, I believe, will help in integration and training because all national speakers also speak Russian and talk in Russian to each other. Many (or most) multilingual Wikinews stories written during this project describe events related to Wikimedia across Russia: all that serves global development of Wikimedia movement. In the past I also was trying to collaborate with English Wikinews, because a lot of these people also speak English (1, 2, 3, 4), but now they seem to possess unacceptable policies. Russian Wikinews have valuable experience useful for future, e. g. multiple interface translations. So that, this is just the way to go. --Ssr (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Not done It seems there are good reasons to keep parallel efforts going for now. I'm going to take any similar requests as being off-limits for a minimum of one year. (Requests for different reasons—particularly because of core rules violations like copyright and BLP—are always allowed, of course.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/msv

The msv points to a Cameroon language called Maslam, but the main page was using Cyrillic which doesn't seem true per Ethnologue. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Done Already deleted by MF-Warburg. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/hsn/南小鳥

Copy from lzh:伶生就志記#南小鳥（南_ことり）, the article are written in literature Chinese, not in Xiang. --夢蝶葬花 (talk) 05:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 22:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/kjv

More than 3 weeks and no contents created here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Wy/hr

Created for two weeks, but still nothing else contributed. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Wn/kk, Wp/apd, Wp/pst, Wp/zro

And probably also Wp/ruo and Wp/ukl. The requests are about the info pages. As they are not extinct languages, they should either be deleted or rewrittened so that they does not discourage creation of a future proper test project.--GZWDer (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

• You make a fair point. I'll try to get to these in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for Wp/pst, it's just a rural area speaked dialect of Pashto, and has no significant differents between other Pashto dialects (for more reason of this, consult @The Amjad: separately) and that, hence the pst speakers should better keep contributing the Pashto Wikipedia ps.wikipedia.org, no oppose comments for others, aka feel free to delete others. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Done, except with respect to Wp/pst.

• Wn/kk, Wp/apd, Wp/zro, Wp/ruo deleted.
• Wp/ukl reset.

@Liuxinyu970226, The Amjad: Based on the Wikipedia article, I read the situation on Central Pashto differently: that it is a standardized, prestige dialect of Pashto. That would probably make it even more likely not to be appropriate for its own project separate from the existing Pashto Wikipedia. But before I finalize this, can anyone please commment? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

On no further comments, I'm closing this as it currently stands: leaving the page at Wp/pst as it is, while the others were deleted or reset. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wp/hep

Not a valid ISO code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Wp/ron

Already having ro: for them. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Both of these will eventually be removed. But I'm willing to wait long enough for (a) the creator of the Wp/hep pages to answer me about moving them to Incubator Plus, and (b) the creator of the Wp/ron pages to answer you. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sot

Already exists at st:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Will give a day or two to let the user copy the one content page to st:. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

The one content page was copied. Therefore, now Done. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sfa

Invalid coded project created by IP. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Lzhwp

I request this page in User_talk:StevenJ81#You've_got_mail!,and feel this page have rollback version on it (can rollback to the revision 'the welcoming bot's standard message'),I request to undelete it.--MCC214 (talk) 06:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Not done There is no point, because the user account is globally locked. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Isn't this already deleted by Ooswesthoesbes? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

MCC214 was requesting an undelete. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Wp/prs

This project does have a valid ISO language code, but is not sufficiently distinct from Persian (see Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Dari), and has been moved to Incubator Plus 2.0. --Agusbou2015 (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hariva, Mjbmr, ExplodingPoPUps: Dear all contributors, agree or not? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:12, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I only did some experimental edit on it to see if there is any editor. I think it can be deleted because after all these years no user contributed to it.--2607:FEA8:C31F:FFBE:F04D:6339:4211:A77E 05:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I think we can probably do this. Give me a day to set up a new template like {{wikia}} so that I can point people to the test at the new Incubator Plus and then I will do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Update: I've got a phabricator in to create a direct interwiki link to the new Incubator Plus. After that gets finished I will address all of this. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sei

See m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Seri and mailarchive:langcom/2019-August/002394.html. This was apparently "outed" as fake about ten years ago, and almost no new pages have been created since. So I propose to archive and delete. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree. --OWTB (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Wt/cop

An extinct language, plus there are no pages and there's no Meta request. Random Wikimedian (talk) 14:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

There are a couple of pages. See Special:PrefixIndex/Wt/cop/. Usually, unless such pages are outright inappropriate, we tend to leave them around. Is there a problem with them? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Random Wikimedian: I moved your previous request to the bottom, because new requests go at the bottom. And I already responded just above. Can you answer that question, please? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I didn't realize that, sorry. Random Wikimedian (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Not done. There is also a community that works on Wp/cop. We're going to leave the Wt/cop pages in place in case they need them. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Wp/rus

See m:Language proposal policy#Requisites for eligibility, this especially violates "The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to develop new linguistic entities; there must be an extensive body of works in that language." --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Recreation of Wp/rus

@Kaganer, Левъ Царёвъ, Timsher71: As noted above, and as I said at Talk:Wp/rus/Главная страница, this is not going to happen on Incubator or anywhere else in Wikimedia. (Belarus was a grandfathered case, and would not be allowed to happen today.) I intend to archive and delete this content in ten days. StevenJ81 (talk) (administrator) 13:16, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Hello, I would like to challenge your decision to delete the project Wp/rus. This project aims to make encyclopedic information more accessible to Russian people reading and writing in traditional spelling. The expansion of the information space is included in the objectives of the Wikimedia project. Also, this section may be useful to Russians reading in modern spelling, expanding their horizons and promoting general education. Creating articles in pre-reform spelling on Russian Wikipedia (ru.wikipedia.org) is difficult for two reasons: firstly, automatic translation of articles from new to old spelling is not possible due to the dynamism of the pre-reform Russian language (this means that each article will need to be rewritten manually); secondly, will the coexistence of articles in the new and old spelling in Russian Wikipedia be acceptable? However, if you consider it possible for us to continue working within the framework of the Russian Wikipedia, we could transfer our activities. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 14:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: This is "exotical" case, but - IMHO - that project may be implemented. There are many sources written using this spelling. And there are also many activists who practice writing in this spelling. If they prove that they are capable of supporting and developing such a project for a long time, then it would be wise to provide them with such a hosting. --Kaganer (talk) 15:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

PS: I understand your reluctance to see this case, but you did not bring rational arguments. This is a bad decision-making style in a public project. It makes me sad. The simple word "because" would make this statement more correct. --Kaganer (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

edit conflict @Kaganer, Левъ Царёвъ, Timsher71: I'll provide some time for discussion, and after discussion I will take to LangCom and discuss. Still, at least according to the ordinary rules, you would have to demonstrate the following (which are not necessarily in a particular order):

• The community at Russian Wikipedia is not willing to include articles written in pre-reform Russian.
• There is a community of people who need pre-reform Russian who cannot read modern Russian. Note: If this community is avoiding Russian Wikipedia over political or ideological issues, LangCom will say no.

You may also have to explain why working on the existing project at Wikia/Fandom is problematic, or why moving the project to the new Incubator Plus 2.0 on Miraheze and working on it there would be a problem.

The fact that sources exist is not relevant in and of itself. If Russian Wikisource wouldn't allow such documents (unlikely), we'd put source documents like that on Multilingual Wikisource. But the rules are different for Wikipedia, and I'm having a hard time seeing why you need to do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Technical note: Wp/rus is satisfactory for this purpose while in Incubator, assuming the project is allowed to stay here. It will complicate my life for you to create a whole tagged code like ru-x-old or something like that. We'll worry about a final coding for this if and only if the project is allowed to stay here and eventually becomes ready for creation as an independent wiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Hello. The spelling question in Russia is cultural, not political. The traditional spelling allows to convey more layers and nuances of meanings. Russian philologist N. Pertsov points that Pushkin's works (and, of course, the works of any other Russian author that uses the traditional spelling) lose the nuances of meanings when published using the simplified spelling. By the way, if the Bielorussian case cannot be an example, there is a Chinese case with two spellings, traditional and simplified. My English isn't good, sorry. :) --Timsher71 (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Any Pushkin's work can (and should) be placed in pre-reformal othography in Russian Wikisource: s:ru:Недоконченная картина (Пушкин)/ДО. AndyVolykhov (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

• ISO-3 code "rus" for pre-1917-revolution orthography of Russian is lie. This code is for modern Russian (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/rus). Wiki cannot be created for language without ISO code, as far as I know. MBH (talk) 04:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Выше уже есть ремарка про код. Он условно приемлем для Инкубатора. Когда (и если) дойдет до создания полноценного раздела, тогда и будет решаться вопрос с кодом. Пока что обсуждается вопрос о принципиальной (не)возможности и допустимости такого проекта в Инкубаторе. --Kaganer (talk) 19:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
• I think, it's senseless to create pre-reform-Russian wiki. There are no people who can read pre-reform Russian and can't read modern (this people were in post-revolution Russian emigration, but all died). See local discussion. MBH (talk) 04:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@MBH: Hello. You're wrong. Descendants of white emigrants live and now, I am one of them. Some, like me, continue to write in pre-reform spelling. For me, this spelling is native and I am not comfortable reading Soviet spelling. Yes, I can optionally read Soviet spelling, but it’s harder for me. It's as hard as reading «lenguaj» instead of «language», «kuin» instead of «queen». — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

• • Здесь есть некоторая ошибка в логике. Тот аргумент, что нету людей, которые могли бы читать дореформенную орфография, но не могли бы современную - ничего особенного не означает. Википедия на языке Саха существует, хотя все её авторы и читатели наверняка владеют русским языком. --Kaganer (talk) 19:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
    • There are also projects in North American and Australian aboriginal languages, even though generally those communities are fluent in English and/or French. But (a) they're still different languages, and (b) because of that, they potentially cover locally notable subject material that doesn't make the cut in a larger Wikipedia. In this case, LangCom will want to understand if there is a community that is going to be served that is not adequately served by ruwiki. Also ... I'm finding it a little hard to believe that the layers and nuances in the traditional spelling matter a lot in something like an encyclopedia.

Let me also point out that this has been requested previously. See m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pre-reform Russian. Is there a new argument you make that is not already made there? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Hello. As I wrote above, I and other emigrants (as well as all Russians) can write and read if desired in Soviet spelling. But this spelling is harder for us. It is not perceived by us, it is not dear to us. It’s also hard and unpleasant, as you read and write “mather” instead of “mother”, “pis” instead of “peace”, “lav” instead of “love”, etc. Other arguments have already been named. But for me the most important thing is to write as my ancestors wrote. The modern Russian language, especially the literary one, is in decline (that is how I perceive it). And at the time of this crash, I hope to create a resource that reflects a holistic, clean, convenient and native language for me. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Question: Would it be possible to create a script converter between the standard and pre-reform orthographies (similar to Serbian, which has a Cyrillic-Latin converter)? If such a thing were to exist, it would eliminate the need for a separate Wikipedia in pre-reform Russian, while still allowing people who want to write in pre-reform orthography to contribute to Russian Wikipedia. DraconicDark (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@DraconicDark: You are absolutely right: the creation of a converter would resolve this issue without the need to create a separate Wikipedia section. However, this is not possible for several reasons. Many words, which are written differently in traditional spelling, began to be written equally in the reformed one. For a competent translation, it is often necessary to refer to the context and meaning of the phrase. So, for example, Tolstoy’s novel “War and Peace” in Soviet spelling is written as “Война и мир”, and there are two versions of the translation into the traditional spelling: “Война и миръ” and “Война и міръ”. You should also distinguish between the words "всѣ" and "все", which are often spelled the same in a reformed spelling: "все." There are different rules for writing the letters “e” and “o” in traditional and reformed spelling (writing depends on the openness/closedness of the syllable). In traditional spelling, feminine plural endings are distinguished. In reformed endings, masculine and feminine are spelled the same. In general, one can long list groups of words and constructions that cannot be translated into traditional spelling. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@Левъ Царёвъ: And then, can you please explain that why you can't contribute Wp/orv? That has a valid individual ISO code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Good afternoon. The fact is that the Old Russian language and the language in which the Traditional Russian Wikipedia is compiled are two different languages. Traditional Russian Wikipedia is written in modern Russian (which, of course, has some differences from the language in which Russian Wikipedia is written). Old Russian is the ancestor of Russian.

In addition, I should note that the project of “Old Russian Wikipedia” is compiled by amateurs who do not know the Old Russian language at all. This can already be judged even by their name: “Вікіпѣдіѩ” (the letter “ѣ” cannot be written in this word, since it is not Slavic; the letter “ѩ” also cannot be used here, it should be written or “ѧ” or “ꙗ”). — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 13:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

A new request has created by an anonymous user: m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Traditional Russian. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:29, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Wy/no

So, as suggested by m:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Norwegian, there are nothing that can be considered as real Norwegian contents, neither Bokmål, nor Riksmål, nor Nynorsk, and nor Høgnorsk. Therefore I suggest to delete the de facto faux test project, and invite Native Norwegian speakers to re-start it from scratch. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

In principle, I agree. But I think I'm going to ask a Norwegian speaker over there to look at some templates here to see if they are usable—and maybe to fix just the main page. If there is usable infrastructure here, it would probably be better to keep it for a future test effort than to wipe it out. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

See discussion at m:Talk:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Norwegian. I think we will probably need to delete it all, and have people start over from scratch. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Wp/ban

The Balinese Wikipedia has already been created, but its pages are still on the Incubator. Please delete them. Random Wikimedian (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Not done Tests are never deleted from Incubator for at least 30 days after project creation, and at least one created project's test version is always retained for administrative purposes. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sib

The code "sib" is supposed to be for Sebop, a language of Indonesia, but this test claims to be in "Siberian" (presumably referring to this) which isn't a language. DraconicDark (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

2020

Wp/aaa

I am almost completely certain that this is a hoax. The language, Ghotuo, for which it is very difficult to find any material online, is an Edoid language, so there should at least be some similarity to the Edo language, for which it is a bit easier to find matierial online. To me it reads more like a Romance- or Germanic-inspired conlang than anything. The one user who has contributed to this test started off by creating 5-word articles for several years, and likewise for letters, and created articles on a couple of international companies. There is nothing of substance, and it just looks like it was made up for the purpose of this Incubator.

Ping also Amire80 and Yupik, who have also looked a bit into this. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete as suspected hoax. -Yupik (talk) 13:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Delete. I'll change my mind if better proof that this is actually this language is provided. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete, looks like a hoax. --Achim55 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

deleted --MF-W {a, b} 11:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Wp/sjt

This project is dead and I think that it should be deleted completely. There is no point in keeping the 17 pages of the project, since there is little Ter Sami on them. These pages consist either of a proper noun and 1 word of Ter or 1 word of Ter, the "abbreviation" for Russian in Ter and the word in Russian. A picture has been added to each page to pad out the bytes. There is one redirect as well as one page in Russian and English about the project. There are thus 17 words of Ter in the whole project, yet only 12 unique words since the word for mountain лыэһке (lɨehke in the version of the orthography used on this project) is repeated on 5 of those pages. -Yupik (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yupik: But there's a Meta-Wiki request that is eligible. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Yupik: This project is verified as eligible hence the portal (Wp/sjt) and the Main Page (Wp/sjt/Главне) should be retained.

However the 17 individual articles (created in 2011) are one word stubs and could possibly be deleted since no one has expanded it for 9 years now. Since Ter Sami speakers reside in Russia and this is the easternmost Sami language, the Ter Sami's may actually find it more practical to contribute in the Ter Sami cyrillic alphabet. --Ernesztina (talk) 08:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Meanwhile, all pages except the Main Page have been deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 04:31, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The main page could actually also be deleted, since it is in Russian and English and not Ter. -Yupik (talk) 23:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Support deleting main page, that can be re-written under a proper name. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 15:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Tmv

It's my user page, which has the same content as the meta user page and is not meant to exist. Therefore, please remove it, because the same user page as meta is more consistent.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 06:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tmv: Why not instead request at m:Synchbot? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Sorry for the delay in replying. I only want to delete the Incubator user page. Isn't the page you are talking about deleting all the pages? Please explain the page you are talking about if you can.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 11:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Done Sorry for the delay here. I only now noticed this subpage isn't actually on my watchlist! --MF-W {a, b} 15:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Wy/ja/Help for Non-Japanese Speakers

Could you please remove this version [1]? This version is not in accordance with the license [2]. That is a copyright infringement. We agreed with the community on this issue Wy/ja/Wikivoyage:削除依頼#Wy/ja/Help_for_Non-Japanese_Speakersの2020年6月21日_(日)_11:52時点での版. I am requesting this since I am not authorized to remove a specific version.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 08:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/aco

The language code is invalid, as [3] is "Page not found". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

All redirects under Wp/fos

Since Taivoan already got its own ISO code, those redirects will not be useful anymore, the Wp/fos page itself should however be kept because I will discuss with WMTW members separately about this. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

All Template:Wp/fos and Category:Wp/fos pages are ditto. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 18:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/enm/Sung Jae-gi

Troll article, improper orthography, not neutral (Sung Jae-gi is a well known anti-feminist.) --2001:E60:C72E:B9F6:284B:DC9C:178A:FA2 14:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Wt/pox

Archived. Note being left in place here as a reminder that this test and Wp/pox will be moved to the new Incubator Plus on Miraheze as soon as it is open for business. (These are actually likely to be the first tests moved there.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

While I agree the decision for a test **Wikipedia** (which requires the language to have active modern use), I contest such decision for Wiktionary and Wikisource (which is meant to contain reliable historic data as part of important human culture which can still be studied actively, especially for hosting a free dictionary of that language, and a free collection of historic source texts, that may also benefit from OCR efforts in Wikisource).

"Extinct language" is only valid for denying a test for Wikipedia, or Wikinews, and probably Wikiquote (though you won't hear anybody speaking it in the medias or in new books, the only reliable source would be in old books, i.e. hosting these citations in the test Wikisource).

Also I don't see the relation with "Miraheze" suggested above. And Incubator Plus does not even exists 2 years after this unjustified decision which is un fact inapplicable. Incubator is just fine for hosting many minor languages, even extinct ones that have little contents (glossaries, reconstructed languages like proto-Indo-European and other proto-languages which are very actively studied by linguists, because they have lot of interests in relation with the modern languages that followed them and are interesting to understand how these modern languages have evolved or of terms were native natural phonetic evolutions, or adaptations in contact with other languages and cultures, or if they were borrowed. This also helps understanding the foundation of the modern syntax/grammar, and helps modern language to preserve their inheritage and being recognizable even when they borrow and adapt terms from other languages. It helps modern speakers to keep their language active, and sometimes it helps revitalization efforts. And finally many historic records will be better understood and can become proofs to explain or justify why we need to preserve the ability to read or understand past languages, when these records show what may happen again in the future. We need the lessons of the past to avoid repeating the same past errors. Verdy p (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

An I'm sure that our public libraries in the world have tons of old documents and books that need to be preserved in some way, and that risk to disappear for lack of money or because of political troubles in some areas or because of wars/conflicts and sabotages. Preserving them as facsimiles also has a huge cost compared to preserving at least the OCR'ed texts that would facilitate the efforts to read or understand them.

We need a free online archive of historic texts, accessible to the world and not just a few specialists living in dangerous areas, and Wikisource was created for that, including for communities that have fled the areas of conflicts or misery and that could help revitalize and honor their past culture and be proud of it, even if they no longer use these languages in their modern life. Many of these libraries are in danger and they could benefit from help by a diverse community of a few passionate spread all around the world, some of the developing expertise in these languages (there may exist new Champollion's starting to work isolately to help decrypt old texts as long as they are preserved; later these works may prove to be important).

Note that for archives of historic texts, "OldWikisource" may be useful. But it's not very well suited for hosting glossaries and linguistic research papers trying to organize it as an open dictionary (even if there remains many unknown items or items that need further work for hypotheses (often justified by making comparisons and using any other documents produced at the same epoch or by old travelmen, explorer and merchants that have left their testimonials, which are of course oriented but whose source can at least be asserted and dated). Verdy p (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Scotland and Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Canada

Merged with Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of North America. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:12, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 05:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Wt/min, Wp/gcr and Wt/shy

Site created for 8 months. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 18:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@MF-W, but why there are still some /gcr pages? Are they temporary restored due to some export-importing issues? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Now gone. --MF-W {a, b} 22:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/ryu/にふん

This is a duplicate page in Wp/ryu/日本. There are no test-administrators, so please do it here.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 01:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. For such cases, you can also use {{delete}}. --MF-W {a, b} 13:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/mkn

LangCom just rejected as stale, because only a main page was created, and at that not finished. Can be undeleted or recreated if anyone has a future interest. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep for now on, @StevenJ81: unfortunately the second request has been submitted, therefore I oppose your opinion. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll just mark this as Not done There are some pages now. Let's (if someone cares) find out about the eligibility first. --MF-W {a, b} 05:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Wp/sux

Dead-language project started without any sort of application and langcom approval as far as I can see. 12 pages, most consisting of one word and a photo á la the Ter Saami incubator project. -Yupik (talk) 12:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 00:04, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wp/oac, Wt/oac and Wb/oac

All of 3 pages above are expected to be projects in Oroch, but as per a 2010 census, there are only 8 L1 speakers existing, and I can't believe the creator @MiiCii: can be one of them, since Ethnologue says that this is a 8b (nearly extinct) language, I don't see why there are benefits to keep those 3 "to be created" portal pages. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

You're right, I'm not a L1 speaker of Oroch language in Far East, Russia. The language have similarity in vocabulary with other Tungusic langauges, like Manchu, Udege etc. Only from my perspective, maybe we can find Oroch documents from websites, especially from Russian sites. --MiiCii (talk) 15:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@MiiCii: To be honest, what you're proposing is what the Wikisource should be, rather than a Wikipedia, a Wiktionary and a Wikibooks should, isn't that? Did a bing search, too many results point to automobiles, Orochimaru (from Naruto), too rare results can be the language, even these results are mostly repeating what the English or Russian Wikipedias said, or are you asking to maintain them via e.g. [4]? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Thank you for your advice. You've got a point there. We do should share information of Oroch language in Wikisource. By the way, I have downloaded an article titled Position in Tungusic Orok dialect between its neighboring dialects (Japanese: 『ツングース語オロッコ方言のその近隣方言間における位置』), written by Jirō Ikegami　(池上二良), which have several vocabularies of Oroch (オロチ in Japanese). However, the article only listed IPA-like pronunciation of Oroch (and other nearby Tungusic languages, like Udege, Goldi, Ulch, Orok), without Cyrillic spelling. Meanwhile, There are also some articles on Oroch langages in altaica, including Comparative Dictionary of Tungus-Manchu Languages (Russian: «Сравнительный Словарь Тунгусо-Маньчжрских Языков») by V.I.Tsintsius.(Consists of Catalogue and 2 Volumes，which include Cyrillic Oroch (abbreviation: Ороч.) vocabularies). You can delete Wp/oac, Wt/oac and Wb/oac temporarily. --MiiCii (talk) 02:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Not done Withdrawn for all, poked with the affected user, they seem still have strong interests on future contributing. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

2021

Wp/yux, Wp/kpy

No request, content similar to the Ter Saami incubator project that was deleted (X is Y). For kpy, same editor as Ter Saami project. Long inactive. -Yupik (talk) 20:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Done --MF-W {a, b} 12:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/ns

Non-existent language/all pages are spam --Nintendofan885 (talk) 19:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 22:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Wp/ipa

Invalid language code used. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 15:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Wt/shn, Wp/ary and Wp/avk

shnwiktionary, arywiki and avkwiki already launched for some months, I see nothing still yet to be exported from here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

seems that Wt/shn was deleted, but two others are not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 02:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Wp/und/Main Page, Wp/und/Main page, and Wp/und/פּאַוי מײנו

The iso639-3:und is a special code for "Undetermined", and invalid for test creations. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 07:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/jtz

The iso639-3:jtz doesn't exist, and this "language" doesn't seem exist. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 07:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/tsn

1. The iso639-3:tsn points to Tswana language to which its ISO 639-1 tn exists, and even its Wikipedia exists.
2. There's no language called "Tawnoji".

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 12:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/xum

This test wiki claims to be in Umbrian (an extinct Italic language related to Latin) but it instead appears to be written in a conlang resembling Hungarian. It should thus be deleted for being a hoax. DraconicDark (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Delete this wiki was created by a now globally locked LTA user CasetteTapeMaster, where their contributions were just a bunch of hoax. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 14:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Wy/ja, Wp/lld and Wp/smn

The jawikivoyage, lldwiki and smnwiki are created for several months, not sure if exporting are done or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Done for the first two, and what about Wp/smn? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

All deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 14:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/wrw

It claims to be a Marwari test(with tocreate status), but the code 'wrw' is for Gugu Warra. --Intolerable situation (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2021(UTC)

Speedy delete, the Marwari test is already existing: Wp/rwr. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 11:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/lvn

As Sotiale mentioned, lvn is an invalid code, and I can't see any results from many search enginees about "Anaunic Ladin". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 11:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Wp/rus

I would love to restart a RFD for this project based on a recent rejection of m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Traditional Russian, as this test wiki is using an incorrect code, it would be more benefit to migrate this project to Incubatorplus than still keep here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 22:37, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Australia

Completely merged with Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Oceania, no need to keep this category redirect. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Done --OWTB (talk) 20:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Wp/ary

Empty category. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Done. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 09:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Wp/ryu/(hidden)

This is the page about suspect person who caused some murder case in Japan, 2019. But in Japanese Wikipedia, it is forbidden to create page about suspects who is non-famous before the case(ja:WP:DP#B2), due to privacy reasons and the judgement by Japanese Supreme Court. For this reason, that page on Japanese Wikipedia is create-protected. Also, since most of the native Okinawan-language-speakers/readers are live in Japan, Okinawan Wikipedia should follow the law of Japan as Japanese Wikipedia does. Therefore the page should be deleted. --Y-route (talk) 08:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 13:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Wp/pal

The Pahlavi test Wikipedia has been rejected by LangCom because it is an extinct language. That test should be moved to Incubator Plus. --Agusbou2015 (talk) 20:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted Given the long time that this request has been here without any reaction to it, I have not tried any moves to "Incubator Plus". --MF-W {a, b} 14:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/ese

According to [5], it's not written in the language. If true, we should delete it completely. --MF-W {a, b} 16:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Why not migrate it to incubatorplus? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Because it's dead since 2008. --MF-W {a, b} 12:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleted as an abandoned project (only substantial edits were in Sept. 2007) and as a possible hoax. --MF-W {a, b} 14:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/luz, Wp/bqi

These projects were started / heavily edited by User:Mogoeilor, who is also behind lrc.wikipedia, now recognized to be a hoax / invented dialect of the language, see m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Northern Luri Wikipedia. As I am given to understand they have the same problems, I propose to summarily delete them. --MF-W {a, b} 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

For active users, the first project also has @Sahh, Bluehamed, and Hamed bahmaei:, for the second @میوند بختیاری, Bardeshir, Ernestoloriati, and Omidmohammadi2021:, no idea for these users. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Very likely they are socks or meatpuppets Ladsgroup (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup, Surely they are ducks? If not, then I would love to reqest a SRCU check. Psst the SRCU request already exists --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I just got an email from a native luz speaker saying that yes, the text indeed unrecognizable and made-up like the lrc but he's willing to help to actually make this right. Maybe we can delete the current articles and then let it continue? I ask him that what he prefers Ladsgroup (talk) 05:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

This problems caused by non-natives of this language(luz) to destroy our language. Do you call all these users "socks and meatpuppets" based on just one email? I'm really sorry for this kind of judgment. But I can not allow them to stop my language from spreading. Also, how can you be sure that the person sending the email is a native speaker of this language?Sahh (talk) 23:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup, MF-Warburg: But then, Meta-Wiki requests for both are "verified as eligible", what should we do for both requests? Reject? This RFD doesn't affect both? Or just rollback to "submitted"? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

This should not hinder us. Content written in the wrong language doesn't not affect the eligibility of a project per se. --MF-W {a, b}

Agreed. BTW given the CU result, should we block Sahh and its sock too? Ladsgroup (talk) 23:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Please don't delete Wp/luz/ورگه_اصلی and the ones created by the same author. These are actual luz. Ladsgroup (talk) 15:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: Should other Northern Luri and Bakhtiari projects (i.e. Wt/lrc, Wb/lrc, Wn/lrc, Wq/lrc, Wy/lrc and Wt/bqi) be also discussed? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:36, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Yes please Ladsgroup (talk) 12:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted:

• Wp/luz except pages created by User:Setenly
• Wp/bqi
• Wt/bqi
• Wt/lrc
• Wb/lrc
• Wn/lrc
• Wq/lrc
• Wy/lrc

--MF-W {a, b} 15:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/sjo/ᠰᡞᠪᡝ ᡥᡝᠷᡤᡝᠨ

Empty content. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@MiiCii: This page has only some codes that provide nothing useful in my opinion, but it may still keep if you: 1. cleared up it, and restart writting a proper article, or 2. you think that this should be a template, then we may move it to Template: namespace. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Page deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 15:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirect pages in Wt/mnc

The pages considered to be deleted are as follows.

• Wp/mnc/nihon keidzai serkin

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by MiiCii (discussion • contribs) 14:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC).

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 12:16, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wy/ab

No contents created for several months. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

That is no valid reason to delete it per se. There are lots of these boilerplate templates. Especially for official languages (and other languages with a higher chance for acitivity), these can be useful to keep. --OWTB (talk) 07:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Abkhazian is only the official language of an unrecognised Russian puppet state, where most people speak only Russian in the first place. But politics aside, I do think all these bogus test wikis with no absolute content in the language itself should be deleted immediately. They are far more badly in need of deletion than wikis in ancient languages, since they create the false impression that we actually have relevant content in the languages they purport to represent. There's no reason to keep them, and nothing at all will be lost by their deletion. If, in the future, a competent speaker wants to recreate them, s/he can go ahead. Steinbach (talk) 11:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

This test-wiki has no content. Are you requesting to delete the info-page itself? Note that if deleted, it will simply be shown automagically by the software (as e.g. Wq/tet. --MF-W {a, b} 13:47, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Deleting this only increases administrative work. If someone starts the test, they usually do not make the info page, which means it has to be recreated anyway in case it is noticed. --OWTB (talk) 15:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

I was planning to nominate all of these no-content test wikis for deletion in the near future, but apparently there's no consensus about it. So let's discuss the matter here and apply our decision to all of these.

You (Ooswesthoesbes) object to the administrative work deletion gives. By that argument, you may never delete a test wiki, since all of this causes some work. These empty test wikis can be deleted without further notice. They don't even have to be moved, only two pages ([Wx/xxx/] and [Wx/xxx/Main Page]) have to be deleted. The work on that is minimal.

On the other hand, a lot would be gained. It will make Incubator a lot less messy, and people who don't speak a language and create a content-free test wiki just because they want to see it created are no longer rewarded for their stupidity. Of course if there is even the smallest bit of relevant content, the test wiki should be kept (or at least, deletion should be discussed). But if nothing is lost by deletion, just clean it up. Steinbach (talk) 09:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes, Steinbach: I have no strong comments but, as Category:Incubator:Test wikis/status/tocreate said: This category usually has about 25–30 entries... Please check any new pages listed here to make sure they are not vandalism. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Some of them in the past did not have the template, but were just a collection of spam/gibberish. So, most likely that's a reference to that. --OWTB (talk) 12:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@OWTB but keeping em will also easily increase international spammers e.g. special:diff/5113317, aren't they? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing to keep spammers from spamming. In that case, it's still better they spam "Wp/xx" than "Wp/xx/Main page" or "Wp/xx/I NEED ATTENTION". --OWTB (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@OWTB Because the creator of Wy/ab, Alefar, is now blocked. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

That makes no difference. If a user creates good pages, and then gets blocked, that's no reason to delete the good pages either. --OWTB (talk) 07:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: I agree with you. That’s also why I hate when admins mass delete all the pages created by a certain user - they delete also good pages and pages that may have been bad when they were created but then were improved by other users. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 12:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd love to ask @Surprizi (administrator of abwiki) if that user is interested in starting it or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone! @Liuxinyu970226 Abkhazian language is the official language of the Abkhazian autonomous republic (Georgia) and of the unrecognized Abkhazian Republic too. But unfortunately there is nobody to work in Wikivoyage into Abkhazian language, because, there is nobody from Abkhazian work in abwiki too. I think that possible somebody after 10-20 years later will start work here, not early.--Surprizi (talk) 11:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done Info-page with status "tocreate" not deleted, as the deletion would have no effect. --MF-W {a, b} 15:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/nia and Wt/nia

Both are created for 3 months, and all contents are exported and imported to the official sites. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Wt/bcl

Created for 3 months. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

This was deleted. Creating entries for these projects here is not necessary, they will be taken care of automatically. --MF-W {a, b} 15:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/btj, Wp/ccm, Wp/goq, Wp/mbf, Wp/msi, Wp/sci, Wp/pea and Wp/msr

All are created by @BlueWhale35 without any useful contents created. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Nuked. --MF-W {a, b} 14:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Wp/qdp and its subpages

In Wp/qdp, it says that it was deleted. However, there are also pages such as Wp/qdp/Main Page. They should be deleted. 14.0.164.61 10:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done, those are test pages, as stated there. --MF-W {a, b} 12:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/zs

Invalid language code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 15:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wy/tr

Site created for 3 months, contents are exported. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 21:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/kxs

According to [6], kxs is Kangjia language, a language spoken in China, not for a made-up "Kanlykian". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 21:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/zma, Wp/sus, Wp/mye, Wp/mne

Created by a global IP sock. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Done. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 19:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/pon

Created by a global abuser that is now blocked. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Nuked. --MF-W {a, b} 23:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

And the Wp/pon itself? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I guess it can stay. --MF-W {a, b} 21:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/msh

iso639-3:msh is Masikoro Malagasy, a dialect of Malagasy language, and uses Latin scripts, the only page of it Wp/msh/Main Page is however using Cyrillic scripts, so I assume that that user is contributing in a conlang and using wrong code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 21:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Wp/rus/Создать статью, Wp/rus/Главная страница, Wp/rus/Википедия:Мастер статей/2, Wp/rus/Википедия:Мастер статей/1, Wp/rus/ Африка, and Wp/rus/Россія

What are these pages? 6 hoaxes? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Wp/rus/Учасᲅникᲆ: Novarussia

Per above, looks rather nonsense. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

All deleted and recreation of Wp/rus pages prevented. --MF-W {a, b} 16:48, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Wn/lzh

RFL was rejected 2 years ago, and has no useful newspages, to be honest the lzh community members were already established their own news portal on w:lzh:維基大典:世事, and per [7] there has entirely no futures to see an independent domained Wikinews. The only 5 non-redirect pages are just copy-pasted from lzhwiki so even no benefit for re-importing back. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 11:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/sux

"Sumerian" is back in spite of being deleted and by the same contributor to the Wp/rus/ stuff. It currently has three pages. Like the last time, no request for new language filed. This time perhaps it should be protected to prevent its rebirth. -Yupik (talk) 01:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Please note that the RFL for it is opening, if that RFL is rejected, I support deletion, but if that can be on hold or even eligible, then I see no reason why this test wiki should be deleted. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Ahh, I forgot to come back and add in that RFL once I found it spelling mistake and all, so thanks for adding it! One of three pages in it is by the Kamassian RFL serial requester (one of his sockpuppets). It is also a dead language, so it's not eligible and shouldn't be left indefinitely on hold IMO. -Yupik (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 10:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/pda, Wp/plq, Wp/rrl, Wp/txg, Wp/bl, Wp/emj, Wp/ghp and Wp/pik

Looks like something like the sux above, user created them only for funny, not seriously created as test projects. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 10:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Polynesia and Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Australia

Was only created with nonsense contents, categorization merged. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 23:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/oci

Duplicate of the Occitan Wikipedia, which already exists. Sailor Ceres (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 23:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/nnc/halan

Unclear what exactly this wiki is for, there's not even any Nancere text anywhere. Sailor Ceres (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 23:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/soq

No content, professes to be for the Soqotri language but it doesn't even have the correct language code. Sailor Ceres (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 23:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wp/fax

Purporting to be a project in xalimego language, but just a bunch of crap with no relation with that language. Unfixable, abandoned since 2016.--DarwIn (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Keep: The assertion that the articles are 'crap' are unfounded and not verified by independent credible language experts. Also, the mere fact that it is currently inactive are not grounds for deletion as users do return to make edits over time and this has occurred on many other wikipedia language editions (for example, Oriya wikipedia) --Ernesztina (talk) 01:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

- If we would delete incubator projects for non-activity, we probably wouldn't have the newest Wikipedia since it was mostly inactive for 9 years before people got interested in it. I can't say anything about the quality or veracity of the Wp/fax project, so I won't say to keep or delete one way or another right now. -Yupik (talk) 00:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ernesztina: On which source are you basing yourself to say that what is there is not crap? Please read xalimego or otherwise inform yourself about the xalimego lang before making that sort of uninformed - and apparently random - comments.--DarwIn (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

The stub was created by an IP in 2010 without any kind of process or approval. Years later, Gato Preto started pilling unrelated crap over it. What would be the point of keeping this here?--DarwIn (talk) 00:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@DarwIn: User:Gato Preto has now been notified of this discussion. We should allow him an opportunity to respond to this discussion. --Ernesztina (talk) 07:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ernesztina: Don't you think we already allowed enough time? Do you continue opposing deletion of this fake? --DarwIn (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep this wiki has quite a few articles and is growing. Inactivity isn’t a good reason to delete it because it’s not like nobody is contributing. A wiki shouldn’t be deleted just because one person called it “crap”. Also this language was verified as eligible so it can’t be deleted. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gifnk dlm 2020: It's not growing, and what is there is not even Xalimego, it's some gibberish invented by User:Gato Preto. See here what Xalimego looks like.--DarwIn (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@DarwIn: still I think that it’s possible to delete the bad articles and keep the test wiki open so that people who speak the language will be able to contribute. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 19:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gifnk dlm 2020: Do you mean returning it to this state? --DarwIn (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@DarwIn: listen my point is that if speakers of this language decide to contribute it will be a lot easier for them if a test wiki already exists. That’s all I’m saying. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 20:01, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gifnk dlm 2020: I don't think any speaker of Xalimego would ever join this project while these loads of gibberish crap stand there purporting to be their language. As it is now, more than start a fresh project, they will need to get rid of all that garbage prior to start doing anything there. Not to speak of the great disservice it is to the Xalimego language for incubator to host such loads of gibberish purporting to be it.--DarwIn (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep, has an eligible request and enough useful articles, though their community members are required to be aware of their contribution qualities to avoid from another lrcwiki-like joke wiki. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: It's not written in Xalimego at all, but in some gibberish invented by User:Gato Preto. See here what Xalimego looks like.--DarwIn (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. Thanks DarwIn for noting this. --MF-W {a, b} 21:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Wt/mnw

wikt:mnw: launched for several months, are we sure there are still having contents to be exported? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 21:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Wp/abg

The only "contributors" (if we can say this word) are globally locked LTAs, made this project entirely not useful. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 11:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Wp/crg

Wp/crg,looks like the Wikimedia editor is lazy. Please delete the test. This project should not be created

Unsigned @118.137.229.100, We don't delete any test projects just because of inactive, okay? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

The pages don't have much content, but no urgent reason to delete. Not done. --MF-W {a, b} 11:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Wp/tay and Wp/trv

Both are created for several months, looks like all contents are exported. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:46, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 21:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Wb/fax

Same as the Wp/fax one, the only one page has no contents that can be considered in Fala language. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 07:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Wp/orv

In fact, the (spoken) language of East Slavic lands was not standartised and was heavily divided into dialects. The literary language of Kievan Rus', the Principality of Moscow, and other East Slavic territories was Church Slavonic, the Wikipedia in this language already exists. The language which could be used in this project, even in the most positive case, will be a sort of language reconstruction and an attempt to create a literary language for people who lived in the 10th-16th centuries (sounds like a nonsense itself).
This abandoned project is claiming to be in Old East Slavic language, but actually looks like an ridiculous fantasy on how Proto-Russian(?) might look like. You have not to be a professional linguist to see that the pages are actually written either in modern Russian with archaic spelling and archaic formulating (like Wp/orv/Єстоніѩ, Wp/orv/Їспаніѩ), or in modern Russian with schizophrenic spelling which very roughly imitates the pre-1918 (!) Russian (like Wp/orv/Зѣмлѩ, where "и" replaced with "і", "я" with "ѩ", and "е" with "ѣ", the last one even in the beginning of a word and it was absolutely impossible in any early forms of the Cyrillic orthography), or in modern Russian unchanged (the 'project' policies: Wp/orv/Википедия:Контакты, Wp/orv/Википедия:Крым, Wp/orv/Википедия:К удалению). There are many bold calques from other languages, including modern, especially in country names - from Latin, modern Polish, modern Russian, as well as weird innovations like *Тѣвтоніѩ (*Tevtoniya) for Germany - it's like if you call Ukraine as 'Scythia' or Armenia as 'Urartu'.
In the end, I don't know why the Wp/orv is still existing and how can this be justified. --Wolverène (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

• P.S. What a perfect coincidence -- two minutes before I created the request, a brand new article (Wp/orv/Пакистанъ‎ = Pakistan) has been created. Obviously written in modern Russian with pre-Civil Script letters and archaic numerals (909 -> ц҃ѳ , and it's inconsistent). --Wolverène (talk) 08:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • P.S.S. I must clarify a thing - I was a little bit wrong saying that "ѣ" in the beginning of words was absolutely impossible - actually not quite so, in pre-1918 Russian it was in the beginning of just two roots - ѣх-/ѣзд- (meaning "ride"), and ѣд-/ѣм-/ѣс- (meaning "eat"). However, as you know, exceptio probat regulam (exceptions only prove the rule). --Wolverène (talk) 13:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@Илья Драконов, Child of Garrett, Midnight Gambler, Lingveno, Ilya0103, Павло Сарт, Kaganer, Caclin Gatu, Tegel, Krasnoiarec, Самоа, Sendyuk Official Any ideas about this test deletion request? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• I do not contribute this project for a long time already but I do not see a problem in having a Wikipedia project like this. We have projects on Latin, Old East Slavic and some other languages. Old Russian Wikipedia is not worse than those. The only problem is to find people who will edit and full up this Wiki project, but deleting it is quite dum. Ilya Drakonov (talk) 11:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  Indeed, an ongoing Meta-Wiki RFC may resolve all things @Wolverène met. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  @Илья Драконов: I have to clarify it to fix the misconception which you probably have - cu: is not in Old East Slavic, it's in Church Slavonic (of the South Slavic branch, actually), we are talking here about the possibility for Wp/orv - the Wikipedia in Old East Slavic, whose era was ended in 15th century with the division into Ruthenian (ancestor of modern Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Rusyn) and dialects of the Principality of Moscow that weren't standardized until the 18th century, thanks to domination of Church Slavonic as literary language and local laws which usually didn't approve even that small number of secular texts in any language but Ch.S..
  Either Ruthenian, or the dialects that were spoken in the Tsardom of Russia and might be called 'Old Russian' don't have own ISO codes. So anyway, there are only one of two possible choices - the Wp/orv either should be in Old East Slavic language existed until the 14-15th centuries, or there should be nothing to write here, thankfully we have Incubator Plus, where everyone is free to fantasize how a 'Stardard Moscow language' might've looked like in the 17th century.
  deleting it is quite dum(c) - Just request the help by professional Slavicists, let them evaluate such words as *Тѣвтоніѩ, *Єстоніѩ, *ѩвлѩѣтсѩ, *ѣдiнствѣнноѣ, *насѣлённоѣ, etc. I think they could say much more than just "dum", there's smth more to describe these, like "nonsenseful", "profane", "sacrilegious"...
  P.S. Can I avoid to comment your statements about the lack of people to edit this stuff, and about the comparison between Latin and Old East Slavic, please? The truth will surely make upset us both.
  @Liuxinyu970226: I supported the Meta-Wiki RFC proposal, but my idea was not in simple allowance of any ancient/historical languages, I believe there should be special and maybe very strict policy for these languages. I just think that the projects in languages of the past should have a chance, without statements that it's 100% impossible for them to be verified as eligible. However, I'm not sure which else ones can be approved, except Ancient Greek, Coptic (for some reason this one is approved already), and maybe a couple of others. Unfortunately, a project in Old East Slavic will never have same educational or informative purpose which Wikipedias in Church Slavonic, Latin, Classical Chinese, Sanskrit, Pali, Old English, or in Gothic demonstrate. --Wolverène (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

• My opinion is to Delete, as the nominator said, all the contents are not really "Old Russian", and are modern Russian clauses with somewhat a lot of rough code-switches. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
• If you ask me, Keep. I have no claim to judge the content there however if it gets deleted, that means that people in the future who might want to create such a test wiki will most likely be discouraged by the fact that one exists and was deleted. -Gifnk dlm 2020 If only Middle English Wikipedia could be saved(talk) 08:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

  It should be discouraged, not encouraged, because there's really entirely no "Old Russian" speakers, non of the orv contents are maintained by speakers or !voters, rather all the orv contents I found are "maintained" by spammers. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete I’ve only had a cursory look over this project, and I can only speculate on the potential viability of such an encyclopedia. But what I’m seeing in this very tiny start is not optimistic. What first caught my attention is the use of the English name “Old Russian language,” in place of the neutral w:Old East Slavic. The English Wikipedia article tells us that although it still sees use, “Old Russian” is a misnomer for the ancestor of two or three modern languages that are not Russian: Belarusian, Rusyn, and Ukrainian. You’d hope a pilot project that wants to justify its own existence would not completely ignore its black-and-white neutrality policy in defining itself. The language is also blatantly associated with the Russian national tricolour on the Main Page. But that’s not all. The article on the Modern Russian language is titled with what appears to be a made-up name, “Novo-Russian language.” Ukraine is named by not its modern name (attested in 1187 and used specifically for the country by the fifteenth century), not by the Medieval ecclesiastical Mala(ia) Rus’ (equivalent to Latin “Ruthenia minor”), but by the imperial Russian formula Malorussia (“Little-Russia”), its national language Malorusskiĭ (“Little Russian”), and its people referred to as Malorossy, or “Little-Russians,” in Russian with archaic spelling. This terminology is anachronistic, non-neutral colonizers’ names, that many consider outright racist (one commentor says “have you lost it with your ‘Little Russia’?,” and no one has thought to respond or address the problem). Other issues also attest to a non-neutral political bias: Sevastopol appears without comment in a list of cities of Russia, ignoring that it is internationally recognized as annexed or occupied Ukraine, Sukhumi is apparently in the independent state of Abkhazia, without mentioning these are internationally recognized as in Georgia. Finally, to my untrained eye, lots of the writing does look like straight Modern Russian with a text filter applied. So if this project has positive potential as an encyclopedic repository, I don’t see the evidence. My impression is of someone cosplaying the glory days of the “Old Russian” empire on their private website, or worse, using Wikimedia to share their pro-Kremlin views of the world. —Mzajac (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Why not to change it to Old East Slavic and add a notice in the articles that exist? -Gifnk dlm 2020 If only Middle English Wikipedia could be saved(talk) 13:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Why not? Because there's entirely no benefits to do so at a galance, as said, We should discourage this, not encourage this, otherwise we even don't need the wiki. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleted --MF-W {a, b} 18:19, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Wy/orv

It's not just useless to try to tell the citizens of Medieval Moscow how to arrive to Constantinopole using the Old East Slavic Wikivoyage - I guess they would've been extremely scared by just one look at computer or any other satan's invention. --Wolverène (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

• Keep see comment in #Wp/orv -Gifnk dlm 2020 If only Middle English Wikipedia could be saved(talk) 08:16, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Delete per above, nothing is in a good "Old Russian" grammar, looks like patchworks. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Keep this project have only 1 article because articles of NR deblocked was deleted. And, if we restart these articles, we have a good project!

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 119.246.117.111 (discussion • contribs) 14:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC).

Deleted --MF-W {a, b} 18:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Wp/trv/Mabanan, Wp/trv/Mabatuan, Wp/trv/Tdlu, Wp/trv/Teldreka, Wp/trv/mtlibu, Wp/trv/mtqaro, Wp/trv/mtrawah, Wp/trv/m’utu, Wp/trv/nadis and Wp/trv/Ｍami

No idea why these pages are not deleted after several months since w:trv: created, are they not exported yet? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

No idea why you feel compelled to make these passive-aggressive deletion requests. Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 18:19, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Incubator:Main_Page/xh

Vandalism/No actual translation. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 08:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 12:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Wb/fil/sinigang na hito

Probably could be exported to Tagalog Wikibooks, since the contents are entirely in Tagalog. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I think it might be best to simply delete it, as the page does not seem to have any contents beside a broken table. --OWTB (talk) 20:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 08:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Wp/crf

This project was using wrong language code, and now moved to the correct one, as crf is an extinct language called Caramanta, that is unrelated to crs, I see no reason why Wp/crf redirect should still keep. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, providing all links are updated. --OWTB (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Done, all replaced. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I deleted the redirects now. --OWTB (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Wp/piu, Wp/aoi, Wp/djr and Wp/wim

Only a lot of nonsense, English-only and machine translation-like pages created by global blocked IP socks, I would say that there isn't having a piu contributor. aoi djr and wim are ditto. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

All gone. --MF-W {a, b} 23:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Wp/eng

Created by IP vandal, that they even don't know that they can "vandal" English Wikipedia rather than here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Done by Minorax. I protected the page, because it was created multiple times. --OWTB (talk) 17:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)