Incubator:Requests for deletions

This page is for nominating test wikis for deletion, or for nominating pages related to the maintenance of the Incubator for deletion. Requests for undeletions can also be made here. To request the deletion of individual pages in a specific test wiki, please use the relevant talk pages where the editors of the test wiki are most active (such as the talk page of the test wiki's Main Page). Pages that should be speedily deleted should be tagged with {{delete}} with a proper reason.

It is typically not necessary to request that pages in a test wiki be deleted after the project has been given its own subdomain (e.g., aa.wikipedia.org), since such deletions are part of the normal workflow when creating new wikis. Eventually all pages in the test wiki will be deleted, leaving behind only the info page.

For the deletion policy, see Incubator:Deletion policy.

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Wp/sro

Like the Wp/arq above, there are some evidences make this test project unsuccessful too. Campidanese is only considered as a dialect of Sardinian, and the Sardinian Wikipedia already has lots of articles written in this dialect. One scwiki administrator @L2212 also pointed at this talk page, that the real Campidanese speakers always directly contribute scwiki, where the user in that question, Fausta Samaritani, has identified to be another maker of scowiki-like problems, where that user doesn't really speak or write Sardinian, or any dialects of it, and that user's aim looks like to "transform scwiki to be a constellation (sic?)", which doesn't really work-able in any circumstances. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I also support the deletion of that test wiki. As @Liuxinyu970226 has already written, it's a personal project by a non-speaker (using two names, Fausta Samaritani and Sirmio Cabinigre) that decided to work on it by creating hundreds of copy-pasted and almost empty articles (like the ones regarding the days of the month, the years or the centuries) with empty sections that someone else would have to fill. The Wp/sro project was already clearly not successful, having existed for years without a single article, and the sudden push for it's "development" and even its publication as a new language version comes from Fausta Samaritani's desire to split Sardinian in a multitude of wikis, one for every dialect (there are 200+ of them, btw, since every town has its own little differences, so you can imagine how feasible such an idea would be), to create, as Liuxinyu970226 mentioned, a "constellation of wikis" (sic) about it. Considering the fact that Sardinian is a single language with mutual intelligibility between the dialects, that we already have few active users as it is, and that the users that write using the Campidanese orthography (often alongside others, like the LSC one) use sc.wiki (where we also have rules and template to work with multiple orthographies and versions of an article) and have rejected time and time again this project (as you can see in the discussions here, here and here, where you can also find more informations about Sardinia's linguistic situation) the fact that she is still insisting is honestly absurd. L2212 (talk) 19:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I see the Sardinian wiki uses similar tactics like Limburgish, which also has a high dialectual variation (see Agiudu:Grafias de Wikipedia), so I personally agree that there is no need for separate wikis. However, the requests are marked as eligible by the language subcom, so we have to allow them here. So really, this needs to be addressed at meta:Language committee first. Here we facilitate, we don't judge eligibility, that's up to the Langcom. --OWTB (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes There are some languages where their "Wikipedia requests" are eligible, but Incubator tests deleted: Fala (fax), Orang Seletar (ors), Ter Sami (sjt) and Votic (vot), with the third one been barred for re-creation. To the best of my knowledge, we should re-debate eligibility of these 5 (yep, include sro one) requests, they are controversial requests by even non-L2 speakers. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Those test projects were deleted because the contents was either gibberish or in another language than the code, not on eligibility reasons. As I indicated before, we facilitate, we don't judge. --OWTB (talk) 07:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes Yes, Wp/sro is also containing gibberish and absurd contents provided by speakers of another language, as L2212 said above, "we don't judge" don't mean either, that we can't oppose, just see what I commented at those controversial "eligible" requests: 1, 2, 3 and 4 Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I am in agreement with the deletion, as presented by @L2212 Riad Salih (talk) 16:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Why isn't the wiki transferred to Incubator Plus 2.0 instead or maybe, move the articles to the Wikipedia in Sardinian with a note explaining that they are written in Sassarese? Jon Gua (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jon Gua If you can explain that why those contents are not "gibberish and absurd" as explained and endorsed above, feel free. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The content should be moved to Sardinian Wikipedia or Miraheze. I don't see anything "gibberish and absurd" in the content. Yes, the articles are small, but that's another problem. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 10:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@Danvintius Bookix See L2212's comments above, unless if you're really debating his comments, I don't see why Fausta's contributions aren't gibberish and absurd. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Example. I see, it is a simple small article about year, nothing absurd. They are written, as far as I can judge, in Sardinian, and most likely in Campidanese orthography, because besides Fausta, there was also a user who actually knew Sardinian who edited it. I do not support a separate Campidanese Wikipedia, but we must be objective. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 13:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@L2212 What's your idea on Danvintius Bookix's idea to merge this test project into sc.wikipedia? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

If there are any useful articles (that were not copied from sc.wiki) ok, we can create the pages or the orthographic subpages to import them, but I have my doubts that that's the case. The example used by @Danvintius Bookix is not any different from an edit made by a bot, would any other wiki import those? We are talking about hundreds of articles here.

At the very least, all the empty sections should be deleted, and the text corrected (it's "annu de su de 20 sèculus", not "annu de su 20 sèculus", that's what happens when someone that doesn't speak a language copies and pastes the same unverified text only replacing numbers and the names of the months) but in articles like this one that would leave almost nothing. Is it even worth the effort? L2212 (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Support to delete. ~Mobashir (talk) 10:11, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Wp/na

Raised by m:Talk:Language committee#Requests for closures, @Yupik pointed out that Even the longer pages were created by someone who is not a (native) speaker of the language and is tied to the whole Kamassian debacle, probably this imported project meets same situation scowiki has. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I was notified about this on my talk page. I'm not a native speaker. I've not made any substantial edits, and AFAICT the 60 edits I did make were only to add images, links and categories, and I don't have an opinion on whether the project should be closed. Kwamikagami (talk) 02:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like some of my edits from en: were imported. The current template doesn't work b/c it's part of the Lua everything debacle. The version I wrote doesn't work b/c parts of it were deleted which is tie to the "delete everything we don't need" debacle. Otherwise I wish this wiki the very best of luck. Rich Farmbrough (talk)

Comment Why can't we leave it in Incubator until community to create Wikipedia would form? I know that Nauruan language has not much speakers, but I don't think this is the reason delete the project even from Incubator. Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 11:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Support to leave it as it is. Таёжный лес (talk) 08:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment It seems that many pages are indeed not grammatically correct. Таёжный лес (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

We can delete it and leave only pages with pure Nauruan text. Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 11:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete nobody is ever going to revive such a project. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Wp/kpy

Similar to Wp/nio. Zero actual content, zero speakers, but several main pages here since 2022. Таёжный лес (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, there are 2,630 native speakers, do we have ideas whether one of em can come to contribute? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wp/dlg

Similar to /nio and /kpy. Three one-word articles, one article with unformatted alphabet and translations to Russian and Sakha and zero speakers here since 2010. Таёжный лес (talk) 18:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, there are 4,840 native speakers, same situation as kpy one. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wp/non

As per the 2nd rejected RFL, the Old Norse is an extinct proto language, and having a test project violates LPP. Even though there are still Old adults can be considered Old Norse ethnic, they are generally migrated to speak Saami or standard Norwegian (maybe Bokmal or Nynorsk, I don't have interests), so I even don't know why this project was started. Maybe migrate to Incubator Plus before deleted? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Support I support the deletion of this project and, if possible, its migration elsewhere as per the request. I have observed that the project has never been active since its creation. -- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/crg

Almost all the pages are one-word stubs. The only page with significant text is not an encyclopedic article, but the Lord's prayer, and its text is also available in the English Wikipedia article about the language. The Meta request for the Wikipedia language was created by a banned user, and since it was obviously not serious, I speedily-deleted it. The language is probably eligible, but it should be done by serious people who actually know the language. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, per Ethnologue, while 75 in United States, decreasing, L2 users: 0. It also mentioned 1,910 in Canada, L1 users: 980. But the 8b (Nearly extinct) status would still be a lock for finding serious contributors. Maybe contacting WMCA for suggestions? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Some people to reach out to: [1], [2]. Amqui (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support deletion per nominator. Таёжный лес (talk) 08:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/ils, Wp/tss, Wp/ycr

Most of the content in these Incubators was created by User:Sdf.

Wp/ils and Wp/tss only have main pages, which appear to be written in SignWriting, but that's it.

Wp/ycr has several one-word pages. They can perhaps be moved to a Wiktionary Incubator, but I'm not even sure about that.

I tried pinging User:Sdf on Meta about this and got no reply.

In this state, it's probably better to start those languages from scratch if anyone serious wants to do it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete ils, No known L1 users according to a 2015 survey, so no hope for any seriously contributors. Neutral for tss and ycr, tss has 24,000 speakers and ycr 3,200, both belong to Taiwan, which looks like the home of Sdf. Tend to ask WMTW staffs @Supaplex, Ffaarr, Imacat, Alexsh, Koala0090, JM99, Reke, Natsu621 and 林非帶你飛 for inputs. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Deleted - Wp/ils, Wp/tss. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 15:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Neutral If User:Sdf is local to the languages, as suggested in the discussion, Wp/ycr may serve as valuable language documentation. In this case, the project should be given a reasonable amount of time to grow, provided there are active local users willing to contribute. Additionally, the short pages with valid content could be moved to the Wiktionary project (Wt/ycr) after notifying the community. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/kls

There is nothing there except a "main page" that is written in English and Urdu and not in Kalasha. The language is probably eligible, but should be started from scratch. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, there are 5,000 native speakers per Ethnologue, are there any possible to find some Pakistani contributors to maintain it? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wp/lew

All the pages are very short and repetitive, and according to @Janwo, they aren't quite written in the claimed language. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

What i said was that in a few pages, I found sentences partly written in Bahasa Indonesia. --Janwo (talk) 06:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, 215,000 speakers, maybe contacting WMID for ideas? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wp/mbb

Only one very short page. The user who created it is no longer active. It's better to start from scratch. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, 15,000 speakers, not sure whether m:Wiki Society of the Philippines has idea on finding real L1 speakers to contribute. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wp/uum

Only a main page with some text in Ukrainian and English, written by someone who doesn't claim to know the language. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to create a main page to make the base of future wiki. I have written the guide how to start the Wikipedia in Ukrainian (official language in country where most of Urums live) and English (one of the most spoken languages in the world).

I think that that we should not delete the Wikipedia because Urum language has enough speakers to create a community for working on any wikiproject.

Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 12:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

When they actually come, it can be easily recreated. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. You are free to do what you think will be better, I will not be arguing. Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I changed my position. I don't think there is a problem to keep 2 pages of the project. I know that the pages aren't written in native language, but it was created to make further development of the Wikipedia possible.

Also, there are few Wikipedias in languages with a few speakers, such as Sakizaya (590 speakers) or Inari Sami (450) that were developed in Incubator.

But you can do what you want.

Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Sakizaya (590 speakers) or Inari Sami (450) were developed by people who actually know the language with help from people who don't know the language. In this case, there is no one who knows the language. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

But, for example, Inari Wikipedia also wasn't always active and not always had enough contributors when it was in Incubator. It was started in 2011, but created only in 2020. But it wasn't deleted because of lack of speakers of contributors and now develops as separate project. Пан Хаунд 2 (talk) 17:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I strongly doubt that Inari Sami became successful because an inactive Incubator had existed. And it would probably become just as successful if the inactive Incubator was deleted.

The reason that inactive Incubator that have no real content in the actual language should be deleted is that it's hard enough to manage so many languages in one place, and it's even harder when some of them just clog the lists of languages without having any real content. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

If we look at Wp/ctg/Main Page created on 2010 by a non-native user in English (International) language. Later on 2018 another user translated in Bengali (local national) language. Than we can see in 2021 a user is trying to translate 50% Bengali and 50% Chittagonian and than in 2022 a user started to translate in fully Chittagonian. The time difference is 12 years! Are we consistent with that in Wp/uum, which started recently? ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 20:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ Per Ethnologue, Chittagonian has 13,000,000 speakers according to SIL's survey in 2006 and in 3 (Wider communication), by following their other survey datas, ctg can be treated enough as a separate language from standard Bengali, but then, Urum has only 1,000 speakers in Ukraine by a 2023 survey, and the status is 7 (Shifting), language use field says Adults only, few child speakers (Salminen 2007). Shifting to Ukrainian [ukr]., the creator also claimed "Test wikis of languages of Turkey" on Wp/uum itself below, but neither this nor Turkey info page show relations each other, means that such claim is by itself suspicious. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Support The Urum test project can be easily re-created. Таёжный лес (talk) 17:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, 1,000 in Ukraine, and No known L1 speakers in Georgia. Due to de facto War zone situation, I have less hope for serious contributors. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, The current info page does not have a ‘create new page’ option. Therefore, I am not convinced that it can be easily recreated by a non-English speaker, an inexperienced user, or a non-technical individual. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ But if there are really benefical to wish this to be re-created? As there are low number of speakers, I don't think if there's strong hope for it. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Which info page? If this is useful, then perhaps such a button can be created for all languages and not just specifically for this one. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

For example, let’s compare different types of info pages. Wp/ils is a deleted project (please check the placeholder template; it doesn’t have the ‘Create page’ option, so it’s not as easy to create as claimed). Now, compare this with Wt/ctg, a project with ‘tocreate’ status, which does have that option.-- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 20:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Such "tocreate" info pages look like what OWTB supports for having, but also, there are some users, like me, that oppose them for existing. Creating new pages via tocreate look like too easy to be safety, as it will not require disclosure of language speech at Babel (e.g. ctg-N, uk-2...), where the non-created info pages require it by system, this will lead a possible that the project is initialized by non-speakers with just random English (or sometimes French, German...) texts, maybe a broad discussion about this should happen at I:CP. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It does have a "Create" button at the top of the page, just like all pages that don't exist. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Support Absolutely useless project. No pages in Urum whatsoever, no known speakers and zero hope for them bevause of SVO. We should absolutely not waste the server space on such things. 5.183.29.95 10:52, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/eve, Wt/eve, Wb/eve

1. For 12 years of existence Even Wikipedia, the project has not appeared even a single word in Even (:D). Only two articles were created - Wp/eve/Википедия, originally written in Latin Crimean Tatar, and Wp/eve/Монгол, written in Evenki. The main page is written entirely in Russian.
2. The Even Wiktionary is also not written in Even — all 88 articles either contain single Even word, or a word with a definition in Russian. The main page was initially written in Russian with a touch of Abkhazian.
3. The Even Wikibooks doesn't contain and hasn't contained a single article ever. The main page is written entirely in Russian, before that-entirely in English with Ukrainian interspersed, to which the category for Urum was also added.

I don't think it makes any sense to kept projects that have or has text in Russian, English, Ukrainian, Mongolian, Crimean Tatar, Abkhazian, Evenki, and Urum, but not in Even. Таёжный лес (talk) 17:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Definitely delete Wp and Wb.

I'm less sure about Wt. If these are actually Even words with translations into Russian, there is some value in that.

To alleviate any doubt, if people who know Even want to create Wikipedia or Wikibooks, they are welcome to recreate it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Amire80 & Таёжный лес: Well, maybe these projects are more or less likely affected due to under same Tungusic umbrella and, if I remember correctly, many of them are initialized by MiiCii (notified at talk page, so no need to ping): Wp/mnc (has a RFL verified as eligible), Wt/mnc (has a RFL verified as eligible), Wb/mnc, Wn/mnc (just a placeholder), Wq/mnc, Wy/mnc (just a placeholder), Wp/sjo (has a RFL), Wp/gld, Wt/gld, Wb/gld (just a placeholder), Wp/oaa, Wt/oaa, Wb/oaa (just a placeholder), Wp/ulc, Wt/ulc, Wb/ulc (just a placeholder), Wp/evn (has a rejected RFL), Wt/evn, Wb/evn (just a placeholder), Wp/neg, Wt/neg, Wb/neg (just a placeholder), Wp/orh, Wt/orh, Wb/orh (just a placeholder), Wp/oac, Wt/oac, Wb/oac (just a placeholder), Wp/ude, Wt/ude and Wb/ude (just a placeholder). If the quality of these projects are also eve-like, then I would love to extend this deletion requests to cover em. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

For record, per Ethnologue: Even - 5,300 in Russia, 7 (Shifting). Evenki - 11,000 in China, 5,830 in Russia (6b (Threatened) in both), No known L1 speakers in Mongolia. Nanai - 3,180 in Russia, 8a (Moribund), 40 in China, 8b (Nearly extinct). Manchu - 20 in China, 8b (Nearly extinct). Negidal - 22 in Russia, 8a (Moribund). Orok - 89 in Russia, 8a (Moribund), 3 in Japan, 8b (Nearly extinct). Oroch - 43 in Russia, 8b (Nearly extinct). Oroqen - 1,200 in China, 8a (Moribund). Xibe - 40,000 in China, 6b (Threatened). Udihe - 190 in Russia, 8a (Moribund). Ulch - 510 in Russia, 8a (Moribund). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

The number of speakers is not very relevant here. Manchu has very few speakers, but very active editors. If editors come, a new Incubator can easily be created. The discussion here is not about the languages, but about the content in the Incubator. There is pretty much nothing in the current content, so it's better to delete it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Amire80 Wp/grc has even no speakers, but also "very active editors", actually, my worry about Manchu is based on a 2022 discussion where several "users" are not real single contributors, but just someone who created one account by one hand, and another account by another hand, 3rd account by one foot, and 4th account by another foot... all in one - socks. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this may be appliable to other projects. MiCii is related to only one of them, just to that with highest quality. Таёжный лес (talk) 06:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

In addition, many of them have valuable content created by this languages speakers. Таёжный лес (talk) 06:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

All of the Wt/eve pages are available on existing Wiktionary versions. Таёжный лес (talk) 07:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Agree to delete any projects just a placeholder mentioned above.

It's reasonable not to keep them.

Recreating them after the speakers who are able to edit the projects of these languages have joined. MiiCii 02:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment @Таёжный лес: From a recent view, Miguelisoalsjsosns initialized Wq/eve, is that user a potential Even speaker? Or did that user start a wrong project? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Have no idea. I doubt very much that he knows the Even language. Таёжный лес (talk) 16:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/tvx

Even though a code was granted in 2019, it's still an extinct language, so having a test project violates LPP, and hence its RFL rejected recently. As there are good contents, migrating to 3rd party website such as Incubator Plus would be fair than just delete. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot of content there. I don't know whether it's good Taivoan, but I am assuming good faith.

It probably shouldn't be speedily and completely deleted, but rather moved to Incubator Plus. I'm not directly experienced with this myself, however, so I'm not sure what's the process for doing that. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 00:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually I'm also considering to do samething for Wp/grc, but for that, I will need a stackholder to preserve those contents wishing to be migrated. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

As a teacher of the Taivoan language and the main contributor to Wp/tvx, I can confidently say that labeling the language as "extinct" is not accurate at all. The Taivoan language is a dormant language, not an extinct one, as the indigenous people have been working to revive it based on the rich vocabulary and sentences left by the Dutch people in the 17th century. These documents include the Gospel of Matthew (23,000–25,000 words), the Catechism (nearly 10,000 words), and the Gospel of John (more than 15,000 words), which was only recently discovered in 2019.

Now we have a simple and yet encouraging dictionary in Taivoan, published in 2023, along with three versions of textbooks published by three Taivoan communities in two dialects — one in 2022 and the other two in 2024. We have also recently completed three sessions of language courses, covering from daily vocabulary to religious lyrics, with students ranging in age from 10 to 66 years old. This initiative enables people to teach their children how to read the language or even integrate it into the tourism industry they have been developing in the past decade.

As we prepare to file a new request to create a Taivoan Wikipedia, your support in preserving the works of Wp/tvx is crucial. Thank you for your understanding and support. Bellenion (talk) 10:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I would however think that Wikipedia isn't the only way for this, there could also have other wiki host platforms e.g. wiki.gg. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, @Bellenion.

I'm a member of the Language committee, but I'm not speaking on behalf of the whole committee in this comment, and this is only my own opinion.

Given what Bellenion writes, I now think even more strongly that we should assume good faith and that this Incubator shouldn't be deleted at all.

I marked the first request for this language on Meta as "rejected" mainly because the language is classified as "extinct" by ISO 639 3, and the proposal policy allows only Wikisource projects in extinct languages. That request had some other problems, which are quite relevant to this discussion. It was created by a user who didn't do almost anything else on Wikimedia projects and who probably doesn't know the language. The request also included nonsense and unrealistic claims about the language.

So that request has practically nothing to do with the actual content of the Incubator and with the people who have written there. In fact, perhaps it would be even better if I deleted it completely instead of just rejecting it. (I have gone over a lot of requests for new languages in the last few weeks, and I noticed that this strange and undesirable phenomenon is surprisingly common. I hope that I'll find the time to prevent it more strictly going forward.)

It is okay if the content stays, and if Bellenion and other people who actually know something about this language create a new request for it on Meta and explain the language's status the way they see it. It does happen that ISO 639 3 classifies languages incorrectly, and that information can be updated, especially when everything is done by serious people with good intentions and relevant knowledge. This is not a commitment to mark the language as eligible, but a well-written request that explains how the language conforms to the Language proposal policy may be approved.

I'd also like to add that if Bellenion is interested in it, digitizing the already-published content in this language, like the Gospels he mentioned, is definitely desirable. It already can be done on the Multilingual Wikisource - https://wikisource.org. If there is enough material, it can even be converted to a separate Wikisource domain eventually. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Amire80 What I request isn't "deleted at all", but migrate to another better platform, due to Wikipedia's de facto, and ad hoc situation that exclude newcommers of extinct languages as well as possible.

"It is okay if the content stays" by reviewing scowiki issue, that's really a questionable suggestion, if there are no L1 speakers, then who can warrant that these are indeed in Taivoan instead of another new, unrelated Pidgin or Creole and/or Conlang? "It does happen that ISO 639 3 classifies languages incorrectly" maybe, but Ethnologue said more briefly factual situation that No known L1 speakers. The last known speaker died near the end of the 1800s. so far, @Bellenion: I'd love to suggest not to create a new request for it on Meta too soon, but try to do what Thao did: 2021-028 request, to change type to living, adopted.

So yes, digitizing the already-published content in this language as well as possible, such languages shall focus on the Wikisource inclusion instead of Wikipedia, or otherwise why we need Wikisource? Wikipedia has 5 pillars that every language has to follow without any reservation, or otherwise got closed: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (where extinct languages can't be encyclopedia by themselves), Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view (where, by practices, extinct languages can only provide their own POVs instead of neutral), Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute (where extinct languages can't be used by non interests, and can only distribute in a very limited aforementioned region), Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility (where extinct languages can only treat other languages' speakers "unfair", "discriminate", etc. without any frontage prejudices), Wikipedia has no firm rules (where extinct languages set too much of unnecessary firm rules). But do Wikisource wikis have them? No.

For many years, there are several ad hoc claims that a language "must first open their Wikipedia first", this can also be vetoed simply by Shawiya example: their Wiktionary has created, but Wikipedia rejected. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226, in this reply, you make many false claims, such as this one: "Wikipedia has 5 pillars that every language has to follow without any reservation".

Please stop doing this. I already asked you: before you cite something that you think is a rule, check whether it is actually a rule. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Amire80 I didn't say 5 pillars are rules, instead, I acknowledge with original texts: The fundamental principles of Wikipedia may be summarized in five "pillars". Fundamental principles aren't "rules", but also have to follow. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are referring to the page m:Founding principles, it's not so consistent with what you write, and it's not very relevant to this discussion anyway. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 02:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Not done (for now). This is quite controversial, because while SIL considers Taivoan extinct, Ethnologue considers it Dormant/Endangered. I'm basing myself on the Aramaic deletion request that I dealt before, in which the contributors made a new request in Wikimedia, arguing that the language is not extinct. And considering what Amire80 said, I don't think there is a need to delete it, atleast not until we can hear more from @Bellenion. @Liuxinyu970226 @Amire80 (pinging if you guys have something to say) — Garcez (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Nothing to add. Makes sense to me. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@Amire80, Bellenion, Iohanen Does Wikipedia really be an only way for a wiki? If yes, I agree, but if not, then I'd love to seek for an appeal for such "not done result"/ Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

The question here is not which project it is in, but rather which project the community has decided on contributing. If the community of speakers had decided on another type of project, the result would have been the same. The thing is: there is no need to delete the Wikipedia test until we know for sure it is extinct or alive, the rejection on Wikimedia (as said by Amire) was based on it being extinct (which is now controversial) and poor arguments. — Garcez (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@Iohanen Community? Where it exists? By checking the Catanalysis tool, Bellenion seems closely to be the only active user before March 2021 (I was "active" for 2 months due to code migration from fos to tvx), so I don't know if there's really benefits to keep this project for just one user. "until we know for sure it is extinct or alive" how is this not answer-able by iso639-3:tvx? Its language type said "Extinct", so at the very least it's the consensus of linguists that this is extinct. "which is now controversial" maybe, I don't against anybody to submit 2nd request, but where's its benefit when language type was not changed? The Aramaic example you told me (if you means Jewish Babylonian Aramaic 2) already received two opposes based on language type since submission. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Regardless of numbers, Bellenion is part of the community, and being the only member of it here, they represent it. Also, it's not keeping the project for one user, but keeping it because the reasoning to delete it is not sufficient (it may not be extinct). It won't hurt anyone to keep it here until we know for sure, and it's not sure if it's extinct because Ethnologue considers the language Dormant/Endangered, this is, it's not a consensus between linguists. Regarding the Aramaic example, it is just to show that a controversial extinct language project may still be kept here until we know for sure if it's extinct or not. — Garcez (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Iohanen But if that user is really trustful as "part of the community" instead of someone's sock? In the past years, people like me are facing-to-facing number of scowiki-like issues around test projects, where some users don't understand that language but still actively contribute. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Before you accuse people of being someone's sock or of writing in a language that they don't know, please make sure that you have evidence for this. If you don't have evidence, don't make things up. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately he has a pattern of this. He even emailed me after you wrote this asking me to stop creating socks (if im understanding UTC correctly) This is my only account with Wikipedia. I have been harrassed with emails in my opinion from him regarding another wiki, unm. Which he wants to delete alongside this. I mentioned this being a similar case to the other one from what I saw. My apologizes if I did something wrong worth harrassment and me mentoning it is bad. Flowingblaze (talk) 15:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Wp/tin

Lack of any Tindi content since creation in 2009. Have only two created in 2011 one-word pages Wp/tin/Хъварщи and Wp/tin/Идараб мицци, where first of them in Avar, not in Tindi. Таёжный лес (talk) 10:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Neutral [3] told me: 4,730 speakers according to a 2020 census, but it's an Unwritten [Qaax] language, maybe more investigations are needed before any actions here. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Wp/bph

Same story as Wp/tin above: three one-word pages, a copied template in Russian and a main page entirely in Russian as well. Not a single sentence in Botlikh, and quite obviously never touched by anyone with knowledge of the language.  IJzeren Jan (besěda) 18:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Neutral 5,240 speakers, also Unwritten [Qaax] language, as such, my comment to tin above also applies here. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not about numbers of speakers. A small but dedicated community can be enough to create a thriving project (like this one, which 50 speakers), but sometimes a project is closed for the simple reason that nobody wants or needs it, even if the language itself has a million speakers or more. Here we аre dealing with a test wiki created by an anonymous user who clearly doesn't know the language, but simply copy-'n-pasted a main page in Russian from some other test wiki, as well as three one-word pages with words that were probably found here, here and here, none of which have ever been edited by anyone else. According to policy, all four of them qualify for deletion. Since there's nothing worth preserving here, wouldn't you agree that it would be better to start from scratch once someone shows up who actually speaks the language?  IJzeren Jan (besěda) 22:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@IJzeren Jan There are indeed someone contributors, whether they are really writting in Botlikh language is a question here, but I still need more evidences to say they aren't. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Full Support of deletion per nominator. Таёжный лес (talk) 05:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I support the deletion as explained above. If this project contains no meaningful content and has never been active since its creation, retaining it does not appear to serve any useful purpose. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 05:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Wt/rml

All pages are completely written in Russian, not in Baltic Romani. Таёжный лес (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Судя по всему, автор, @Samuel.A.Kim:, не совсем верно понял смысл Викисловаря. Думаю, это нужно перенести в русский Викисловарь. I think, it should be moved to Russian Wiktionary. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Автор понял суть словаря, но учитывая, что автор создавал материалы в инкубаторе, то в первую очередь приоритетом было наполнение словаря, а не перевод интерфейса. Кроме того, учитывая, что данный диалект использует русский язык в качестве основы, то при работе в инкубаторе было удобнее пользоваться интерфейсом, который был предложен, т.е. русский. Samuel.A.Kim (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Neutral Per Ethnologue, 7,280 speakers in Poland, 12,000 in Belarus, 460 in Estonia, 1,970 in Lithuania, 5,640 in Latvia, and probably there are speakers in Russia, and all are in 5* (Developing) status. Looks like both Cyrillic and Latin being used for these speakers, just depend on where they're living, better to give some months to see if such purely-russian contents can be translated or not. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Anyway @Таёжный лес: The Danvintius Bookix above recently contributed some contents at Wq/rml, is that project also meeting same issue? Or that project is in correct language? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

In the correct language. Таёжный лес (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/lah/Main Page

Do we really need a project using macrolanguage code, where all of its member language codes are either having separate test projects, or already having Wikipedias for years? Specifically for the lah:

1. Southern Hindko (hnd) - test project
2. Northern Hindko (hno) - test project
3. Jakati (jat) - test project (but claimed "Jatki" which cause another RFD above)
4. Pahari-Potwari (phr) - test project
5. Western Panjabi (pnb) - pnbwiki exists
6. Saraiki (skr) - skrwiki exists
7. Khetrani (xhe) - test project

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Wp/jat & this be deleted because macro languages are not allowed. same case is for Wp/bal. Sraiki (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not discussing Wp/bal due to verification debates in the past months, see 1, 2, and 3. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, If Wp/lah is remained, what will be its dialect. so be deleted. also wp/jat be removed because code is not correct. Sraiki (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Dear, As per request of creator of Wp/jat be removed. or it may be moved to Wp/lah. Please do as soon as possible Sraiki (talk) 07:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sraiki There's already a jat related discussion above, anyway I'm not an admin so I can't delete anything. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Wn/kk, Wn/sah, Wn/tt

These projects are already on Russian Wikinews 151.135.197.56 13:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Tend to support deletion of Wn/kk per the rejected RFL, which as only having little substubs before RFL rejection, there are merely no benefit for having a separate kk.wikinews. Eventually, it currently has no pages. (Someone would say that there's second open RFL, but its creator Bauka0625 didn't create anything except their own user page here)

The later two were discussed in 2019 which result no consensus, of which Tatar Wikinews has its RFL verified as eligible, I'm not sure whether there's really benefit for second trial of RFD em. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Support I support the deletion of the projects as per the request. Besides that, these projects have never been active in the incubator since their creation.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 08:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ The last Tatar one may be a sensitive question as, again, its RFL is verified as eligible, I contacted a user who voted keep in that 2019 DR, that has several contributions to Wq/tt. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

"Delete" (in scare quotes because no use of the MediaWiki deletion functionality is involved here - the page will really be replaced with a pointer) wn/kk as empty. Delete wn/sah, which only contains a main page and no other content. Inclined to delete wn/tt, which only contains a Main Page and one news article from 2020, as well, but not as strongly convinced. In any case these can be recreated if there's a movement to develop the project outside of Russian Wikinews.

Once these are deleted, we need to decide what to do with the domain names https://kk.wikinews.org, https://sah.wikinews.org, https://tt.wikinews.org.

Inclined to redirect https://tt.wikinews.org -> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B3%D1%8B_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82, https://sah.wikinews.org -> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D2%AF%D1%80%D2%AF%D0%BD_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8D%D0%B9, but redirect https://kk.wikinews.org to https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8:%D0%9C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C (the project page explaining Russian Wikinews' multilingual initiative) since there isn't even a Kazakh Main Page. Although even the first two are very dead. And for all three domains redirect https://tt.wikinews.org/wiki/foo -> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Foo. Pppery (talk) 20:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery I think for 3rd one, once we indeed gain consensus to delete, we might need to discuss with langcom members on whether its RFL's eligible status should be revoked. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The project should remain in-theory eligible. I'm effectively saying to do a soft delete - delete the nearly-empty test currently there without prejudice against a new movement for starting a test if one forms. Pppery (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Wp/omp

I would like to propose the deletion of Wp/omp (Ancient Meitei Wikipedia) because Wp/mni (Manipuri Wikipedia) has already been approved. The Wp/omp project has been inactive since May 2021. It seems that the "omp" content can be accommodated in Wt/mni, and the resources may be a better fit for Wikisource. I would like to hear more opinions from the community on this proposal. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 11:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Migrate to Incubator Plus, then delete Nothing else to say, as a historical language, it violates LPP. If contributors want, they can just contribute mniwiki. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

can be deleted or merged 🐲 Lu ^{ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk)} 15:36, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Move to Incubator Plus, test project has many articles. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 11:39, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

• Migrate then delete per above. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:16, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Wp/ruo

Project contains only six articles, each of which contains only the title or title with a translation into another language. The main page contains only one sentence in Istro-Romanian. Таёжный лес (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Neutral That rejected RFL was wrongly claiming "Morlakian", where Istro Romanian has 1,400 speakers (of which 300 of them are L1 speakers), contact hrwiki users first? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep so what. What are the benefits of deleting this? There's 0. Leave the project, and if one day an Istro-Romanian speaker comes, even if it's in 2040, they'll have a project to work on. Maybe they would not know otherwise how to create an Incubator project or that they can in the first place. We already missed a chance to attract an Istro-Romanian speaker [4] because no Incubator existed (they never responded to my comment just one month and a half later [5]). Why'd you want that number to be any higher?

By the way, I wasn't even warned of this deletion request by the nominator. It had to be another user 3 days later. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 18:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

And what are the benefits of wasting server space now? When they come they can easily re-create the project. 5.183.29.95 11:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Hahaha. Not ever has an editor cared about "wasting server space". This is the problem of the wealthy [6] [7] Wikimedia foundation, not yours. Tell me, how does it affect your experience as a reader and/or editor that this project exists in its currently very basic state? It is obvious that a newcomer user will not know how to create an Incubator project. If I or any other don't find them in time to guide them, we just lost another potential native speaker editor. All so that we could save server space on the free, volunteer website. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep It seems to me that there are native users of this language community within Wikimedia who try to contribute to the wrong project. However, they are unable to find Wikimedia Incubator. I can relate to this, as some of my community members often write Sylheti in neighboring language projects, and their contributions get reverted (for example: edit and revert/removal) because it’s the wrong language (for neighboring language project). They are unaware that they can contribute to the incubator. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Yep, this language belongs to Croatia, a European Union member state, where looks like most "active contributors" are editing hrwiki, only some finger-countable number of editors join Incubator. Now, contact who about the situation? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Wp/unm

Like some previous sections, Unami is an extinct language, so having a test project generally violates the LPP. Probably there are some useful contents that should be migrated to 3rd wiki platforms. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:37, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Keep while the Wikipedia page has it marked as extinct, ethnologue https://www.ethnologue.com/language/unm/ has this marked as an endangered language, to quote the "Language Vitality" section of ethnologue "Endangered — It is no longer the norm that children learn and use this language." which is what Unami is marked as. People are still learning this language and using this language, it is not extinct. Other Wiki's are up in incubator that would violate the LPP yet they are fine. The Taivoan, Aramaic, Coptic and Ancient Greek Incubators would have to be deleted yet two of those are features on the incubator.wikimedia.org homepage, It would be consistent to keep it based off of other decisions I have seen. [User:Flowingblaze|Flowingblaze]] (talk) 20:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

@Flowingblaze Really "endangered" instead of just "extinct"? Even there are really spam pages featured in special:prefixindex/Wp/unm? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

That is what I see on Ethnologue. Unless I am reading it wrong? Ethnologue is a trusted source on langauges from what I know. If I am wrong feel free to let me know. I do not agree with the spam pages and I was planning to try to fix them up to not be so short, sometimes just a word like "tipas" was before I found the Wikipedia today and added some substance to it. Flowingblaze (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Flowingblaze But what I can see on Ethnologue is The last known speaker, Edward Thompson, died in 2002. If you can't demonstrate that how you can speak this language, then you're not really seriously contributing, and I'd love to revert your contributions. The only article you're ever contributed, Wp/unm/Tipas, doesn't look different from a previous case - Wp/vot, to which a user who clearly can't understand that language contributed several "contents", later disclosed as "not in that language, by any circumstances". Verily, it looks like your edits on Incubator are your global "first pieces of your contributions", and I really can't believe that "freshmen" users know the function of requests for deletions discussion page, so I would also doubt if you're a legal "freshman". Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:25, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I literally just saw a thing saying this Wikipedia has a request for deletion on the homepage of the thing. Please stop emailing me. This has been my only account with Wikipedia. Do you speak Unami? I dont see that info on your page. How can you judge my skill in a language you do not speak. Flowingblaze (talk) 15:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Flowingblaze Okay even a SRCU regarding your case is failed, the word "Endangered" was also almost not mentioned on that Ethnologue page except, as their general interface, on the page footer as "Endangered Languages" under "Further Reading", which is just a description page without list , so which thing give you to say the Unami is an "Endangered language"? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:01, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

[8]https://ibb.co/1GF2rCXt Is a screenshot

[9]https://www.ethnologue.com/language/unm/ is the link. Flowingblaze (talk) 02:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

@Flowingblaze That imgbb file looks like broken, and I even can't see "Language Vitality" on the very same URL (you can email me to request a screenshot from my part), probably that information is only available for your country living? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:18, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about that, https://postimg.cc/V5Xq944p I just uploaded it on this website, and from waht I see it did properly upload this time? Flowingblaze (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Also I saved the page I'm seeing to the in the internet archive https://archive.ph/MiS7h so you might be able to see what I'm seeing? What the archived has saved does have what I see if you scroll down a bit. Unless your country for some reason affects that as well? (As you said, this could be a location thing) Flowingblaze (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, I suddenly found Unlock The World’s Languages - Pricing, where it said for "Language Vitality", it only show "Simplified Scale" for Starter subscriptions, which cause this information doesn't show for me, such information shows to users with at least Essentials subscriptions, that can be free access for users from World Bank mid/low-income countries, but for some matters it can't work for me. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:39, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah. I am on free tier and I see that screenshot I sent to you, with the "Language Vitality" being on "Endangered". I don't have an Essentials subscription, I thought it was free for the longest time until LingoLizard mentioned it (A youtuber). In his video where he lists every living language he does list Unami but I didn't include that as a source since. Well its a youtube video and he sourced Ethnologue like me, and In my opinion that would be like citing from the same source twice and I don't think your supposed to do that, but I can sent you that aswell if you would like with the timestamp? If that would help at all? My apologizes if my reply is a bit confusing, for some reason I am confused but you reply a bit but I'm responding to the best of my abilities from what I am understanding. Flowingblaze (talk) 02:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, but even that's Endangered, how can it meet the policy on project languages? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Forgive me but I do not understand your reply. What do you mean by "well but even thats endangered"? Flowingblaze (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hmm interesting, that policy mentioned:

Ancient or historical languages

Only Wikisource wikis in ancient or historical languages are accepted, because resources in such languages continue to be important to the world, even in the absence of native, living speakers of those languages. Where possible, such languages should be bundled with the modern equivalent Wikisource project (such as Old English with English), though that is not required.

But didn't mention the status of "extinct" and (as you said) "endangered" languages, however for later one, I guess another sentence of the policy can also hold up from your strong "keep" idea?

The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to develop new linguistic entities; there must be an extensive body of works in that language.

Do you really have an extensive body of works for Unami? If not, then by only your edits, this language is still not valid for testing, even you can edit the de facto articles, you can't create new ones. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, I'm appealing the tvx result above, so it may also have possible to be deleted. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Me, like the nominator, believed that this language is extinct. However, during the discussion it became clear that this is a controversial issue. So far I do not see any reason to remove the test project. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

@Danvintius Bookix I think we do have better 3rd party platform from those users who are indeed interested in such non-living languages, so I don't know what means "remove" by you, what I mean by this RFD is to seek for a migrate, not remove. Also, from what I can see, such non-living languages are technically not allowed on creating articles (even test projects exist), cause them generally dormant, and why this is a "controversial issue"? Isn't LPP clearly said "Only Wikisource wikis in ancient or historical languages are accepted, because resources in such languages continue to be important to the world, even in the absence of native, living speakers of those languages." Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2025 (UTC)