Incubator:Requests for deletions/Archive/2021

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Wp/odt, Wt/odt and Wp/dum

Believe me, this hurts! I love the older stages of my native language.

But we can't keep them, per language policy, and for the obvious reason that these projects haven't gained momentum. Old Dutch is very scantily transmitted, you'd have to reconstruct just too many words to even write a lemma about medieval things. It also has far fewer proficient readers than Old English. Middle Dutch does have a rich literature in all genres from religion to accountancy, and (in its written form) is much more different from modern Dutch than Middle English is from modern English, but again, a Wikipedia in it would violate policy and would probably never be succesful. And it, too, might attract nonsense edits. Steinbach (talk) 11:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: On a first glance, the quality looks relatively well, so I wouldn't mind keeping them here. In case, the community decides otherwise, I will gladly export it to Incubator Plus as it would be a shame to see what little is there being deleted. --OWTB (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not commenting on their quality (btw wasn't it you who created both of them years ago). I'm just saying: why keep them here if there is absolutely no chance that they will ever be approved? Steinbach (talk) 17:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have only created the main pages to accompany any pre-existing subpages. The reason for not deleting them is that, while there is no chance for a subdomain, they are according to our policy valid, as they have an ISO-code. Deleting good contents is always unnecessary. As I'm more or less neutral to keeping them (and Wt/odt?) here, I am always willing to export them to Incubator Plus. --OWTB (talk) 07:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OWTB, I'd love to also mention Wt/odt in this section as it looks also badly contributed. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regareless, delete both, having bad quality articles that are wrongly maintained. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In case of deletion, please let me know, and I'll transfer them to Incubator Plus. --OWTB (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ooswesthoesbes I don't think they need to be exported since they are possibly copyvio pages. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Old Dutch (odt) tests don't look like they are copyvio pages though. The Middle Dutch (dum) do look more suspicious. --OWTB (talk) 20:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We should come to a decision here. The projects have no chance of approval, are totally inactive and have little content. I think deletion with moving to Incubator Plus would be a solution. --MF-W {a, b} 15:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto for the below one (Wt/cu)? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to Incubator Plus and deleting it here sounds like the best option indeed. --OWTB (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ooswesthoesbes: Can you do it? -- MF-W {a, b} 11:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recently made an xml-dump, but I can't seem to get it uploaded. I asked Miraheze ([1]), but haven't heard anything yet. --OWTB (talk) 12:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, single page transfer without xml works. Maybe the xml is too large. At the moment, I don't not have time to check this, so it will have to wait. --OWTB (talk) 12:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Contents in non-living languages are not allowed per LPP. --2408:8411:907A:2FD5:E300:1E9B:4C6F:32A 20:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MF-W: Never mind my previous comments about the import. Apparently, the pages were there all along, but it only displayed an error message... You can go ahead and delete them :) --OWTB (talk) 17:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you and done. 207 pages deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 07:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wt/cu

Very small pages, test main page is a copy from cu:главьна страница, there is a Сѥ ѥстъ мъногоѩꙁꙑчьна отврьста єнкѷклопєдїꙗ · ѭжє къжьдо можєтъ иꙁмѣнꙗти ⁙ Википєдїꙗ пьсана [[||Словѣньскъ ѩꙁꙑкъ|словѣньскꙑимь ѩꙁꙑкомь]] начѧта ѥстъ їоунїꙗ 2006 лѣта Дьньсь Википєдїи 4 члѣни сѫтъ text (no difference from wikipedia), some english text in, unactive wiki. 155.137.183.105 17:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, This is the Wiktionary Old church Slavonic LOLI'mfriggin silly (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inactivity itself shouldn't be a valid reason for deletion. Some pages aren't that small - Wt/cu/бесада, Wt/cu/бесѣда, Wt/cu/боукꙑ. A little number of English words and copied content could be fixed using a dictionary. --Wolverène (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. Not sure about the accusative form of "Викиаꙁъбоукъвьникъ" - either unchanged or "Викиаꙁъбоукъвьника". --Wolverène (talk) 06:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP no valid reason to delete was expressed. -Gifnk dlm 2020 Happy New Year 🎄❄️⛄️🎇 (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Due to Wp/orv success, I don't think there are no valid reason to delete this test project. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn’t say there are no valid reasons, I said that no valid reason were epxreseed. Change my mind. Anyways, I understand that Wp/omv was deleted because it was not written from a neautral point of view. -Gifnk dlm 2020 From Middle English Wikipedia 📜📖💻 (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Has only contents that are propagandas rather than seriously contributed dictionary pages. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- May I learn more which pages can be considered as propaganda? Of course since it is written in a historical language now used as liturgical by the Church it may not be potentially 100% neutral in this field... or do you mean governmental propaganda? I looked at the Main Page and did not read anything special. --Wolverène (talk) 08:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Just see why Wp/orv was deleted, where I provided the link above, as said by an admin at I:AN, for projects listed at Category:Incubator:Test_wikis/code/history, They will eventually be deleted. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Extinct language. 2A02:4780:1:17:0:0:0:E 20:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Provisional keep. Old Church Slavonic was a literary language invented in the 9th century by Cyril and Methodius. There sources describing Old Church Slavonic as an artificial language: [2]. On the face of those sources, Old Church Slavonic should be treated as an artificial language for the purpose of the language proposal policy. The language proposal policy allows artificial languages: meta:Language proposal policy. Therefore the language proposal policy allows Old Church Slavonic. Unless there is something wrong with the quality of the content, this test wiki should be kept. James500 (talk) 03:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@James500 That's only true if an artifical language is living artifical, where cu isn't. Living language requirement is having higher priority than artifical one. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I am aware, artificial languages do not have native speakers. There is therefore no such thing as a "living" artificial language. An artificial language can become "extinct" if no-one can speak it as a second language. But an artificial language cannot die, because no artificial language was ever alive in the first place. James500 (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@James500 Only Wikisource wikis in ancient or historical languages are accepted, because resources in such languages continue to be important to the world, even in the absence of native, living speakers of those languages. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The words "even in the absence of native, living speakers of those languages" (emphasis added) in the policy make it absolutely clear that the words "ancient or historical languages" in the policy can only mean "former native languages whose former native speakers are all dead". The words of the policy are not capable of bearing any other meaning. If you want that part of the policy to exclude artificial languages that have never been anyone's native language, you will have to reword the policy. James500 (talk) 16:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: is this really? We can sometimes allow historical languages for contributing here based on James500's claim? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also @James500 If you think that requesting this on Meta won't got a rejection, just try it by creating here (though I really won't hope an eligible status). Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:54, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there is no good reason to delete a project created in a living language and having meaningful content. Таёжный лес (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Таёжный лес living? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Church Slavonic language is still used in the religious sphere. Таёжный лес (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Таёжный лес Then please send a request to SIL to change its language type to Living instead of currently Ancient, otherwise non of new contents are allowed to create. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:49, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The project lacks quality content and is not very active. There is a significant amount of copy-pasting from other wikis, which diminishes the authenticity of this project. I am not enthusiastic about its progress.Riad Salih (talk) 03:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, a file of the content be be sent upon request. --MF-W {a, b} 10:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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