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Creating http://dsb.wikipedia.org

Could someone tell me where could I complain about protraction with creating Lower Sorbian Wikipedia? When Upper Sorbian Wikipedia started as regular Wikipedia, many new authors came and it has now about 760 articles. Lower Sorbian Wikipedia would by the same case. --Dezidor 22:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea for what you would like to complain. Your answers would be helpful to understand your problem.

  • Do you have any problem to start your test wiki here? (See the requirements on the Main Page please).
  • Have you submited your request on meta following the policy?

Generally, if you don't follow the official policy and procedure, it is hard for other people to help you out. Cheers, --Aphaia 20:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The complaint is that Upper Sorbian (hsb) and Lower Sorbian (dsb) were requested at the same time, both met with wide approval from the people voting at Meta, but due to some confusion only Upper Sorbian Wikipedia was created, and Lower Sorbian wasn't. So Lower Sorbian was requested again at Meta, and again met wide (indeed unanimous) approval last October. But the creation of Lower Sorbian Wikipedia has now been rejected at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Lower Sorbian for some procedural reason relating to a change in policy there, meaning that now a third request for Lower Sorbian will have to be made. In the meantime, Wp/dsb here at Incubator has 214 articles waiting to be transferred to a real Wikipedia. Angr 23:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They probably mean that they don't want Upper and Lower Sorbian created since they might coexist on a single wiki. To quote the policy: 
The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and different written forms of the same language.
. Try requesting a transwiki to Upper Sorbian. Thunderhead 07:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
@ Thunderhead: It is big nonsense. Do you understand Upper or Lower Sorbian? --Dezidor 18:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't think it's a rejection because of similarity to Upper Sorbian. When they changed the policy at meta, they automatically rejected all outstanding language proposals and said they had to be re-proposed to conform with the new policy. It's purely a formality, but it's a formality that's a pain the ass since Lower Sorbian has already gathered support from the community twice. Angr 10:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For those, who dont know: Lower Sorbian and Upper Sorbian are completly different languages. They are relted, but they are different like: German and English. Pe7er 19:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I dont know why they didnt created domain dsb. I have even asked developers bout that and havent got any anwser (for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brion_VIBBER#Lower_Sorbian_Wikipedia). But if there is a Lak language edittion wchich has today only 8 articles (this is not a joke see: http://lbe.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages) maybe there is a chance when we start request again. What do you think? becouse after 2 failures I am a litlle bit upset. Pe7er 19:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Ok, people let's do it again acording to procedure. Your arguments are needed here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lower_Sorbian_2 Pe7er 10:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hallo. Ich fand's auch doof dass euer alter Antrag nachträglich abgelehnt wurde, nur weil das Procedere zwischenzeitlich geändert wurde. Jetzt ist das "language subcommittee" (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Langcom) für die Bewilligung des Antrages zuständig. Das Kommittee ist offensichtlich mit einigen Kinderkrankheiten gestartet (vgl. meine Beschwerde in der foundation-l Mailingliste: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-March/028499.html), aber es gibt positive Anzeichen, dass sich die Dinge jetzt zum Besseren wenden - bitte nicht den Mut verlieren! Wichtig ist jetzt, dass ihr alle Anforderungen aus http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy erfüllt, aber das sollte ja kein Problem sein. Besonders wichtig ist, dass sich im Request unter "Users interested in forming an editing community:" fünf Muttersprachler eintragen, die mitmachen wollen und dass diese auch an der Test-Wikipedia mitarbeiten bzw. schon mitgearbeitet haben (die Namen jeweils mit einem fetten N markieren). Außerdem Pflicht: die niedersorbische Sprachdatei für die Wiki-Software anlegen (wie das geht steht unter http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kabyle - unter Punkt "Localization", bei Fragen an Pathoschild wenden, der kann helfen). Dann kann eigentlich nichts mehr schief gehen, hoffentlich. Viel Glück euch! --ARBE0 17:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dobrý den, chtěl jsem se zeptat: Kdy už konečně bude hotová Dolnosrbská Wikipedie? Díky, nador (http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Nador) 23:38, 8. září 2007 (CEST)

Unknown language

Нихтенно, Детцо, Нихтенно and Падонки could be in a same language (or not). Each of them are orphaned and short, submited by anon (I have no idea if one same person was behind those edits). There is no front page for those pages ... how are those pages to be dealt with? --Aphaia 20:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks kind of Ukrainian to me, so they probably belong to the Surzhyk test. They should be deleted, no useful content and at least [[Нихтенно looks kind of offensive (the word "Ахуенно" to be exact), the content of "Детцо" is "дети", meaning "Children" in Russian, while the content of Падонки (see en:Padonki for an explanation of the title) transliterates as "mekknek", which might be a slang word. Really nothing worth keeping. --Johannes Rohr 17:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Rotuman

I've started the test page for Wikipedia Rotuman (see request here and test page here) and would like it listed on this page. How should I go about it? BTW do I need to become an administrator to create the new wikipedia, or help it's testpage's development? Thanks Mattbray 07:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

for admins

Please see MediaWiki talk:Edittools. Thank you, SPQRobin 17:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Wp/be

Dear admins!

As Belorussian language was recently granted a separate project and all Wp/be/ pages have already been successfully moved there, could someone delete Wp/be/ section? Alessandro 13:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is seconded. I'm former active participator in wp/be charter of incubator, and now am participating in the w:be:, which is where the incubator project was transwikied. The incubator pages may be safely deleted now, so as to reduce load on incubator and clatter in search engines. If something else is needed to legalize this request please let me know at the w:be:user_talk:Yury_Tarasievich. Yury Tarasievich 08:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maintenance:Delete

Further information: Category:Maintenance:Delete

Could someone delete pages from this category? Alessandro 13:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Test-wp prefix

I don't see any documentation around, is my understanding correct, that the Test-wp is obsolete and all new Wikipedia test projects should use /wp/[iso code] instead? --Johannes Rohr 17:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Administator

There aren't many admins, so please see here. SPQRobin 19:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Completely New Projects vs. New Language Projects on Incubator

How does one create a test wiki for a new project? Can everyone do this? If this is something that must be requested, where is the proper place to make the request? Also, what is the naming convention for new projects? Squideshi 05:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incubator:Policy provides, "New project proposals will be created here after being approved by the Foundation at Meta." In contrast, Incubator:Policy/Draft provides, "The Wikimedia Incubator hosts tests of new language editions of existing projects for proposals...Incubator does not host tests for projects not listed at wikimedia.org." Is Wikimedia Incubator for new language tests only, or is it also for new project tests; and if so, how does one request approval for a new project test? Squideshi 05:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Incubator is not for new projects. You can propose a new project at meta. Some proposals have a wiki site, so you can see what wiki you want to use for your proposal. SPQRobin 11:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That page provides, "In the very near future this page, among others, may be integrated into the process at Wikimedia Incubator. You may wish to withhold suggestions until the interchange is complete." In addition, the Incubator main page provides, "This is the Wikimedia Incubator, where potential Wikimedia project wikis like a new language Wikipedia or Wikinews or a totally new project can be arranged, written, tested and proven worthy of being hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation." Further, the first table on that page is divided into two sections; and the second section is labeled new project tests. Are these errors? Squideshi 11:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is because of Incubator:Policy: This page, or a part of it, is proposed. It is not official yet. Please feel free to improve or comment on it., so it is possible to make your proposal here, but at Communitas (a poroposal), there is: This does not belong on Incubator: please move it somewhere more appropriate (Meta) and notify me so that I can delete it. SPQRobin 12:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This needs to be clarified on the main page and the other pages mentioned here. In addition, it is not clear if only part or all of Incubator:Policy is proposed; and the relationship between this policy and Incubator:Policy/Draft needs to be clarified. Squideshi 11:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My English isn't that good, so... Feel free to edit! :-) SPQRobin 14:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have permission to edit the main page. Squideshi 21:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's because your account is autoconfirmed over 4 days, then you can edit the main page. I saw you have put a message on the talk pages of the main page etc. The problem is that Incubator hasn't a community to decide the things what you've said. SPQRobin 11:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand. What do you mean when you indicate that Incubator does not have a community to decide these things, and to what things are you referring? I assume that you do not mean that a decision must be made regarding whether new projects will be permitted on Incubator without prior Meta approval, as you have already conclusively stated "Incubator is not for new projects." Who created Incubator? Was there a proposal that preceded its creation; and if so, what does that proposal say about the purpose of Incubator? Squideshi 17:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know who proposed/created Incubator. About "there isn't a community": On Wikipedia you can propose something, and the community will vote, but here are only users for test Wikipedia's, etc , and no users for decide things like "could there be test projects at Incubator?" SPQRobin 20:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The pages that need clarification are Incubator:Policy, Incubator:Policy/Draft, and Main Page. Please also remember to check the talk pages for those articles and point them to this discussion if applicable. Squideshi 22:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The new policy says that you may not start a test for a new project here, only tests for new languages of existing projects. SPQRobin 16:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this is what Incubator:Policy says, so let's continue any further discussion on this issue at Incubator talk:Policy#Completely_New_Projects_vs._New_Language_Projects_on_Incubator.

License policy

I saw many images without a license. Now I have made a page, User:SPQRobin/Upload. Shouldn't it be better to use that page instead of Special:Upload?

After this, I will make MediaWiki:Licenses and MediaWiki:Uploadtext.

What do you think? Please give some comments!

SPQRobin 18:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have done it, but if you don't want that, I can remove it. SPQRobin 18:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Board election

What Greeves sees on Incubator (see the message right below the tabs).

Could we update the board election notice to say something like this?

Voting for candidates in the Wikimedia Board Election will begin Thursday, 0:00 June 28, 2007 (UTC).

Thanks! Greeves (talk • contribs • Wikipedia) 16:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? SPQRobin 19:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the top of many pages, there is a notice saying that we may endorse candidates, etc. I am suggesting that an admin update it with the above message as we have done on the English Wikipedia. Greeves (talk • contribs • Wikipedia) 20:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am an admin, but.. I really can't find that message. :-( SPQRobin 20:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I looked through the MediaWiki pages on this wiki and I couldn't find it either! Where is the message coming from? Greeves (talk • contribs • Wikipedia) 20:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe someone has changed one page on Meta, and now you can see it on every Wikimedia wiki. SPQRobin 20:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's strange, because on the en Wikipedia it's different. Greeves (talk • contribs • Wikipedia) 22:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After spending who knows how long on getting licensing information, I uploaded a screenshot of the message that I see on this site. Is it the same message for all sub-domains of wikimedia.org maybe? Greeves (talk • contribs • Wikipedia) 03:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Whow! What a license!) The message is translated into the language of the subdomain. It's everywhere in the sitenotice, except here at Incubator... :s SPQRobin 10:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now I don't get it anymore... At http://wikimediafoundation.org/ , it's the same as here.
At nl.wikipedia.org, in the summary:
  • first : "nbsp, because obviously the developers have him still turned on"
  • next : "Old version back, an empty message is also nothing. Although the period is gone"
  • next : "Now, however, removed"
  • next : "Now I don't get it anymore: on wikisource he is, however, gone?"
Do you get it?? SPQRobin 10:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Setting up Automatic Converter

I propose to install an automatic converter in this wiki. Its aim is to support various style-sheet environments for various writing systems. The converter only offer style sheets not substantial conversion between characters like Chinese Wikipedia.

Now the style sheet of the Incubator wiki is only optimized to Euro-American scripts. It is not comfortable for users who use other different scripts such as East Asian, Arabic, Hebrew, etc.

Therefore I suggest this automatic converter. I think it should support these environment modes:

Footnotes
  1. In East Asian script, shapes of characters are slightly different between South Korea, Japan, Mainland China/Singapore and Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau/the most of overseas Chinese community[1]. Therefore the converter should support each of them.
  2. In this mode, the wiki's interface should be changed like ar:, fa:, kk-cn:, he:, yi:.
  3. Haansoft Batang (Korean: Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value).) is a Unicode font including Chữ Nôm characters. This font is contained in Hangul word processor and Haansoft Office (or Hancom Office) packages produced by Haansoft Corporation.
  4. Other modes can be also added in the system if needed.

--Yes0song 17:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Make it yourself easy

I don't know why someone did not yet do this, but I have made Template:L.

Like I said on that page: instead of linking pages like [[Wp/code/Pagename|pagename]], you can use {{l|pagename}}.

Note: You can only use this template on a page in the main namespace (except the main page) linking to a page also in the main namespace (also except the main page).

SPQRobin 18:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kan je dat este na het nederlands talen vor mij? Ik begryp dat English niet so goed. Kremnae 13:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aeres auw good?
Asse {{l|paçhenaname}} brieks inplaôvan [[Wp/aeres/paçhenaname]] eeste kotker ab. Only kaense 'r nie brieke oppe langpaçh. -Markvondeegel 20:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

not enough sysops

there are not even close to enough sysops here. macedonæë has destroyed many pages andd can't be blocke because there's no sysop here! --Keræk 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are enough sysops, because this happens very rarely. Even the test administrators can block people in emergency. SPQRobin 21:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

moving to incubator

At the moment I'm moving pages from herero wp to incubator because of m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Herero Wikipedia. I copy the pages, add a notice that they had been moved, generate page histories with Contributors Tool and copy them to the talk page. is that the right way? --MF-Warburg 13:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you maen tat you have copyed the history of the pages to talkpage? Kremnae 13:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I used [2] to create them. MF-Warburg 13:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is allright, normally a sysop should use special:import for this I think. Kremnae 14:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
but for 30 pages transwiki is not necessary, I think. MF-Warburg 16:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have deleted those pages because you marked it with {{delete}}, and with comment "should be transwikied". I can transwiki those pages, but is this still necessary? SPQRobin 20:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
yes. if you are done, please note at [3] so the devs can close it. MF-Warburg 17:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I can't import them. :-( I've exported them from hz: to an XML-file. When I wanted to import it, I saw I couldn't import it. m:Help:Import explained it to me why I can't - there are two types. :-( SPQRobin 18:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
yes, I answered your question. MF-Warburg 09:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, and now hope they do it :-) SPQRobin 10:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiquote

Where I should create Wikiquote tests? Wq/language? MF-Warburg 10:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Euh.. yes. SPQRobin 10:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with Main Page

I want to suggest to move the Main Page to Incubator:Main Page, because now the Main Page is imported several times. Then it would be easier to delete Main Page and make (again) a redirect to Incubator:Main Page. What do you think? SPQRobin 14:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, good idea, but if you add prefixes to the XML file, you don't need it. MF-Warburg 11:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you're right. SPQRobin 11:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some unfinished work

Now that several new people appeared for incubator cleanup (yay!), I can tell you about some unfinished tasks which we started last year but kind of lost interest.

  • Clean up special:allpages, that is, move pages with old test-WP/ prefixes to the new wp/ ones (you can use my pywikipedia script for that); delete pages of old tests that already have a wiki; and move pages with no prefix to Incubator:Lost pages - don't forget to delete the redirects! (If someone feels like annoying devs, you can request creating a Lost: namespace.)
  • Work on local policies/guidelines. There's already a draft of one (I:P) but everyone lost interest in it. Personally, I don't think we need many policies and can just use the ones from Meta, but a basic how does this work? page would be nice.
  • Improve the Main Page - the test code table has been unfinished for ages (my fault, I admit) and completing and updating it would certainly help. (The first table is the new one, listing all projects with wp/ prefixes and with a much simpler code than the second, old one.) We might also try to improve its graphics, not that it's really needed :-)
  • Most important of all - keep it running :-) Incubator pretty much runs itself, but an occasional check helps, particularly for vandalism and category/template system. Remember, we try/tried to keep categories and templates simple - incubator is just a test place for new projects and shouldn't be creating a bureaucracy of its own :-)

Thanks for the great work you've done so far for this little project - I hope we can make it even better! (Okay, that sounds kind of silly, but you know what I mean. I'll try to help here and there.) — Timichal 17:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this comment!
SPQRobin 19:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
About changing prefixes from "Test-wp/" to "Wp/" : If I move some pages that I come across, would that help or would that make it more difficult? Anyway, if I can help, please say what I have to do :-) SPQRobin 11:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
as far as I know, it would help. MF-Warburg 12:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Starting tests

Just a random remark, in case you don't know: one doesn't need any special permission to start a new language test; Meta's new language requests process is just for opening a separate wiki for the language, starting new tests on Incubator isn't restricted in any way by the Foundation or the language commitee. — Timichal 18:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did someone from Incubator said this somewhere? MF-Warburg 18:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's explicitely stated anywhere - we could write a FAQ, something like How do I start a new language on Incubator?, where this stuff would be explained. — Timichal 18:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
see also m:Meta_talk:Language_proposal_policy#test_wiki. MF-Warburg 18:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's in accordance of what I said, I think :-) — Timichal 18:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An addition: We probably don't want to host tests of projects explicitly denied by langcom; that should be reflected in our future policy. — Timichal 18:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Idea for a bot

Sometimes (like now Cbrown) I see in the recent changes mass bot edits, deletions (deleting an approved test wiki), or something like that, so I was thinking, maybe we can make a bot e.g. "User:Incubator maintenance" for those edits/deletions? Every admin can use that user. Is that a good idea? Or what do you think? Maybe someone has a better idea, but I think such a bot is needed. Or we can give a temporary bot status. SPQRobin 19:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Or someone could have a bot and others propose using of it. such a bot is really needed. mybe cbrown shuld be temporary bot now. MF-Warburg 19:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have a bot, TimiBot, and used to do changes like those you mentioned with it; it's no problem for every admin to have a second, bot account (admins themselves cannot be bots) and use it for mass edits. — Timichal 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: Cbrown has just stopped :(
@Timichal: I thought admins could be bots? SPQRobin 19:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, MediaWiki won't let you do that - try it :) — Timichal 20:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They can, but MakeBot and MakeSysop prevent this, a sysopbot has to be made by a steward. MF-Warburg 20:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or by using first makebot, then makesysop... — Timichal 20:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
yes. MF-Warburg 20:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or desysop, makebot, makesysop :-) SPQRobin 20:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do my edits when most people are asleep (:)) and most of the large-amount of edits that the bot would have needed to do are done now. Either way, it's best to have individual user's own bots. :) We can make as many bots as we want to! :-D Cbrown1023 talk 20:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lol :-) SPQRobin 20:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Importing pages

As it's not only possible to import pages because of project closing, what do you think about a page such as Incubator:Import requests, where users can request importing a page from another language to translate it? MF-Warburg 09:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They can already list them under our Incubator:Coordination for importing closed projects‎, but I will set up a redirect nevertheless. Cbrown1023 talk 13:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

create new testproject

If this is the right place to ask it: how can i create a test-project for Limburgish Wikiquote? Limburgish Wikipedia and Wiktionary allready exist: [4] and [5]. There is allready an interface so that does not need to be maked now. How do i need to make the mainpage: Limburgish Wikiquote/Huidpazjena? --Hojeraop 09:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing you need for that is a language code. You can start editing at [Project code]/[language code], that is Wq/li and start editing. All your pages have to be members of the category "Limburgish Wikiquote" or of a subcategory. Further all pages you create need to be subpages of Wq/li. That mean an article "Limburg" needs to have the following location: Wq/li/Limburg.
Further you should create a page for your main category: Category:Limburgish Wikiquote. Just copy the contents of an existing page, e.g. Category:Aeres Wikipedia and adjust the data.
Consequently, all links between your pages must also be prefixed Wq/li. Apart from that, it's just normal Wiki editing.
The mainpage needs to be located at Wq/li. -Markvondeegel 10:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC) source: User:Johannes Rohr[reply]
Thank you, i will make the request on meta later today or tomorrow. --Hojeraop 10:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Up to now the articles of the incubator automatically had a link on top, in our case Wp/stq. When clicking Wp one reached the Incubator Main Page, which was indeed superfluous, because it also exists in the box at left. But on clicking stq one reached the main page of the relevant test wiki, which is nearly indispensable for navigation.--Pyt 08:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ik weet ook niet hoe 't komt maar je kunt tot dat het het weer doet een klein sjabllontje aanmaken als Template:Wp/art-da/Returnto:

Template:Wp/art-da/Returnto

-Markvondeegel 10:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Goed idee, kun je ook nog gebruiken als je project succesvol is en hij aangemaakt word. Hojeraop 10:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fuul Tonk; iek wol dät fersäike.--Pyt 17:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kansmahl éin problem: Ich praô en skrief ne gén Seelteres. Kaense n'dat este tæle nah Nederlandes of English? -Markvondeegel 17:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try that too --Pyt 17:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Allright now I understand it -Markvondeegel 17:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Works fine! --Pyt 18:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ofcourse, otherwise I shouldn't tell it to you :) and you can use it even after the real wikipedia is created! -Markvondeegel 18:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know why it doesn't work anymore: bugzilla:10749. I asked to enable subpages in the template, category and MediaWiki namespace, but now it doesn't work anymore in the main namespace. SPQRobin 20:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess, it's a related issue: a short way to refer to the articles of a certain test project used to work: [[/Pagename|Pagename]] instead of [[Wp/xxx/Pagename|Pagename]]. Now it stopped working. I think it's bad to have to do the extra typing. Do you think it's good or is it going to be fixed?--Imz 15:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see, there is also another way: using template:l; see #Make it yourself easy (but not for the Main page, which usually has a lot of wikilinks!:( ).--Imz 15:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I found it just ONLY working at the Main Page --Pyt 17:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tips for working with prefixes

I have made Help:Tips for working with prefixes. Maybe it can help someone. SPQRobin 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! :) (and very helpful). Cbrown1023 talk 19:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :-) SPQRobin 20:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template

Do I need to put the prefix in front of the templates that I make for the test wiki? --Djordje D. Bozovic (?) 13:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, like: Template:Wp/aeres/Kotke -Markvondeegel 14:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Djordje D. Bozovic (?) 14:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PAGESINNAMESPACE

Why don't you use Template:PAGESINNAMESPACE for count articles in test projects? PS: they're currently disabled. Slade meta 18:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that would work, all the test projects are in the main namespace, so that wouldn't help, would it? Cbrown1023 talk 01:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So move to a specific domain; i.e. en:Italy or es:Perro. -- Slade meta 21:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Betawiki beeing hosted by Wikimedia?

I'd like to invite all Incubator editors to join in a discussion of the possibility in Betawiki joining Incubator. I've put this message:

Please join in the discussion on the possibility of Betawiki beeing hosted by Wikimedia

in the MediaWiki:Sitenotice on Betawiki. Maybe it would be best to do the same here. --Steinninn 00:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added to sitenotice, please also see my comments on that page. Cbrown1023 talk 01:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikt => Wt

I will change these by bot tomorrow. The bot moved Wikt/art-da as an example. MF-Warburg 17:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good! SPQRobin 17:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am entering a bug to disable uploads: also in the policy! SPQRobin 17:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See bugzilla:11168 SPQRobin 17:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the old Wikt pages should be deleted or left as redirects? MF-Warburg 11:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Done --MF-Warburg 11:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot the templates and cats :-) SPQRobin 14:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yes.   Doing...  MF-Warburg 16:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)Not done. Bot problems. Will try again tomorrow. MF-Warburg 17:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you can do the templates and I the cats, or something? SPQRobin 17:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, OK. Do you have a bot for doing this? Mine derives from Timichal's mymove and is downloadable here: [7] (needs m:pywikipedia) MF-Warburg 17:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, I mean without a bot :s SPQRobin 18:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THAT SCRIPT DOES ONLY WORK FOR MAIN NAMESPACE, NOT FOR TEMPLATE OR CATEGORY! MF-Warburg 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm hm, ok... :-) SPQRobin 18:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In that bug I've also asked for adding a namespace "Lost", discussed at #Some unfinished work. SPQRobin 15:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent change for your language

I suggest we do it like Scratchpad dose it. They have a recent changes link for every miniwiki. For example recent changes for the Sepedi Wikipedia would be Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Wp/nso. This requires that all the articles in the Sepedi Wikipedia are in the Wp/nso category. Could this be put in the navigation sidebar as your language recent changes. --Steinninn 05:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is not possible, because than we have to add every test project to the sidebar. And it would not be fair if we add only the link of your test project. SPQRobin 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's possible if you make a link to a page like Incubator:List of tests recent Changes and use that page as a list where you can put the recent changes for your testlanguage at like:
But it's a lot of work to put all pages of the Ottoman Turkish or Seeltersk Wikipedia in those categories. -Markvondeegel 16:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's possible to have a recent changes of the language you set in your preferences. --Steinninn 21:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't possible: 1) there is nothing (no template, no magic word, ...) to display the language code of your preference language and 2) you can't set the language code of new languages in MediaWiki. SPQRobin 11:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the BetaWiki side bare there is a link called "Recent translation changes" that is specific for your preferenced language. --Steinninn 00:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because they have an extra magic word, UILANGCODE, which we don't have. I've searched from where (extension, ...) it comes, but I didn't find it. SPQRobin 15:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploads disabled and new "Lost" namespace

There are two changes made to the Incubator:

  • Uploading files is disabled (in the new policy). Now you have to upload files on commons:. Than it can be used on every Wikimedia project. That is much easier when the test project gets is own subdomain.
  • New "Lost" namespace. When a page didn't have a prefix, we had to move it to Incubator:Lost pages/PAGENAME. Now it can be moved to Lost:PAGENAME.

SPQRobin 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image

I propose we move all images to Commons if they have a license, and delete them if they are unused and have no license (if they are used, we could ask the uploader for a license, and if he doesn't respond, we'll delete it). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 11:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be possible to use something like commons:Template:Image source, I think. CommonsHelper could be used for moving to commons (language: incubator; porject: wikimedia). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 11:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Delete all unlicensed images after one week of notification. --Steinninn 00:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I now imported Template:Image source (and template:cc-by-sa-3.0, as thtat template suggests to use cc-by-sa-3.0) and modified it for use on Incubator. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 13:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How can we upload images for our Wiki test? --Filipinayzd 14:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

go to commons:, create an account and upload. They are avaiable then on all Wikimedia projects, also on Incubator, and later, on your subdomain. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Test Statistics

Hello, I'm currently working on test statistics at the Incubator Plus. Maybe we can also do that here? -Markvondeegel 16:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It asks too much work I think, but if you want to maintain it, no problem! SPQRobin 11:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't much work at all! If each test has it's own template:project/code/NUMBEROFARTICLES or template:project/code/NUMBEROFPAGES and a template:project/code/NUMBEROFUSERS the only think you need to do is put it on the list. -Markvondeegel 11:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for Final Approval

Bikol Wikipedia was created on July 2007 and has already 214 articles. --Filipinayzd 16:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tell the langcom. And is your translation of the interface ready? --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interface is 88.07% translated. Looking to m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Bikol, I think this wiki will come very soon! SPQRobin 10:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why not split?

Why not split this page in language sections? Like:

  1. Incubator:Community Portal/nl
  2. Incubator:Community Portal/ota
  3. Incubator:Community Portal/en
  4. Incubator:Community Portal/fr
  5. Incubator:Community Portal/general or Incubator:Community Portal/mul
  6. Incubator:Community Portal/ext
  7. Incubator:Community Portal/nso
  8. Incubator:Community Portal/sei
  9. Incubator:Community Portal/loz
  10. Incubator:Community Portal/hz

And so on. SF-Language 09:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See talk page for discussion. SPQRobin 11:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sitenotice?

Is the sitenotice disappeared or something? I tried everything (MediaWiki:Sitenotice id, logging out, ...) but nothing helps... What's the problem? SPQRobin 18:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems al wikis with disabled cache of pages like special:Wantedpages have no Sidnotice anymore. Same story at Limburgish Wiktionair. --Ooswesthoesbes 20:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The site notices are automatically replaced by the new CentralNotice. It was only visible on the English Wikipedia at first for development and debugging, but it still disabled the site notices on other wikis. It should be visible everywhere now. Brion Vibber, the developer, hoped to make site notices work at the same time by today, though I'm not sure if he's succeeded yet. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:15:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm disabling mail, I'll cite some mail: "Veranger 'ns det Ingelse baovegedoons mit wat Limburgs". --Ooswesthoesbes 07:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
@Pathoschild: Thanks, now I know what to problem is :-)
@Ooswesthoesbes: Euh, what has your mail to do with the sitenotice? (Als je met die Limburgse zin bedoelt dat je het bericht wil vertalen, zie m:Fundraising 2007/Text for sitenotice) SPQRobin 15:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nee, mij maakt het niks uit. Dat zijn eerder die Nationalisten, veel zeggen weinig bewerken. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've put together an AJAX solution to the problem, if you want to display the site notice below the fundraiser box. —Pathoschild 05:11:16, 02 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good solution. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I propose we put this into our MediaWiki:Common.js. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New main page

I've made a small draft for a new main page, see Incubator:Main page/template. This is based on the system used on MediaWiki.org. Feel free to improve that page! SPQRobin 21:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, I especially like the "extended sister projects" at the bottom. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot proposal

As on Incubator we sometimes need to move many pages (prefix changes, wrong iso code before) and then also text replacements, e.g. from "wikt/" to "wt/", or delete many pages when a test project was moved to an own subdomain or a quite large test should be deleted, it's faster (and easier) to do this by bot. So I propose we have a bot which has a "command list" on wiki, which can be edited (who would have thought that) to make that bot doing this (so not everybody needs to register an own bot).

Just when I was writing this, I learned there is such a bot at Commons, see that page for an example of how that bot works, an Incubator bot would be similar, but not the same since we don't have images actually :) --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 16:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Off course, why not? SPQRobin 17:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I now set up a page at User:warburgBot/commands (but the bot doesn't run now). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 18:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What happens when a new site is created?

I saw this: hsb:Specialnje:Přinoški/Incubator_import, but who runs it? So what happens when a new Wikimedia site is created? SPQRobin 22:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll move all content by hand and since I'm test admin here I can delete it in one way. --Ooswesthoesbes 08:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But then the history is not moved! The "Incubator import" bot also import the history. SPQRobin 11:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but history isn't so important. It's only important if a page is damaged and when you move a page, you can see if he's damaged or not. --Ooswesthoesbes 11:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, the page history is important for legal reasons. If you moved the pages manually, you'll need to delete them and import them. If you'd like, I can do that (I already did for fi.wikinews.org). —Pathoschild 03:26:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Then you'll also need to restore them here, they're deleted already. And if you're thinking about the authors I can also say who has created those pages in the summary. --Ooswesthoesbes 15:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About extremaduran request

Hi, community! It's the first time i write here, and well, i have two questions:

  • On the one hand, what have we got to do now? I mean, extremaduran contributors are asking me for the reasons extremaduran wikipedia is not yet aproved. The interface is almost translated (85%) and we have more than 300 articles. Each new article we create, is more work to do later, exporting files... so, should we continue translating articles? or it's better if we start translating other proyects? (like Commons, which main page is alredy translated)...
  • On the other hand, we've seen the message "Don't forget to add a prefix to categories!"... ups... i think this message have been written for extremaduran wikipedia... we didn't know it, so sorry for the inconvenience. At the moment, move all categories would be very dificult (there are too many articles to change), so, if nobody oppose, we won't create new categories, and we will delete all those categories when the wikipedia is created.

Greeting! Tiu Chelu 09:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • You can work further, but I will ask to the langcom (which approves the tests) to look to this test project. About moving the pages when the site is created, that's really no work *if* you don't start to copy them when the site is created, but wait on someone (me for example) to export and import them.
  • You don't need to say sorry, because first there was a text on the main page saying that you don't need to add a prefix to categories, but we changed that because otherwise they will not be imported, or there can be a category for two test projects. I would say, try to move them, but if you don't want to do that, you don't have to do it.
SPQRobin 12:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"...that's really no work *if* you don't start to copy them when the site is created, but wait on someone (me for example) to export and import them."
mmm i don't understand at all how it works, but ok, i'll do nothing until you tell me ^,^. Thanks for answering me so quick! Tiu Chelu 13:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If a site is created, there is a text on the main page to invite you to start. But actually this is totally wrong. I'm working on this to change this. I'll request to change the text on the main pages of new created sites and I'm working on a help page which explains all steps to do, including when the site is created. SPQRobin 13:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Better coordination for importing/exporting from/to Incubator

We have two important projects:

The problem is: what is the fastest/easiest way to know there will be a new site created or locked?

I am working on a solution: see bugzilla:12256.

For everyone who is interested in helping, see that page! Greetings, SPQRobin 17:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simple English

The FAQ page says that languages that do not have an ISO-code may not be tested here. What about languages like Simple English? Can't they be hosted here? --Boricuaeddie 20:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No code = no project. But here start the problems, because there already exists projects in Simple English. I'd suggest asking the langcom. SPQRobin 21:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can't it simply be created with the code being "simple" or something (like http://simple.wikipedia.org)? --Boricuaeddie 22:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. wp/lim has also been moved and also take a look at wp/nrd and wp/aeres. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that simple: was created before the new projects policy was approved. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 12:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good question because I think that more wikis in simplified languages could be made to give more accessibility to those whose first language's wikipedia has less contribution and to help in language learning. French, German and Spanish might be good canditates: if English with its two million article can give 20,000 articles in Simple English, we might expect that languages with over 300,000 articles give about 3,000 articles each, which is more than many small wikis. The issue of simplified languages surely needs to be addressed to make possible future such projects. 24.202.61.223 07:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sepedi Test Wikipedia Project (wp/nso)

The Sepedi Wikipedia Test has over 230 articles and it's request status has been Discussion for a while. What needs to happen to get this test project LIVE? Mohau 11:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the most asked question I think... The Langcom decides this. This always takes a long time, most test projects have to wait a long time. :-( You'll need to have some patience... SPQRobin 12:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

skh Shakhordoy Wikipedia

The 'skh = Shakhordoy Wikipedia' looks a bit strange. 'skh' is the ISO 639-3 code for "Sikule" http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=skh , a language from Indonesia.

The incubator articles are about kaukasian/Georgian themes.

I cannot find a correct code for "Shakhordoy" nor anything about the language itself.

A friend of mine has asked de:User:Ernst Kausen, a German expert for a lot of languages but he cannot identify the language... maybe a fake? See de:Benutzer Diskussion:Ernst Kausen#Welche Sprache? Raymond 12:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main contributor seems to be User:Dato deutschland. He first tried wp/sak, when we said that code is not allowed, he tried wp/skh. SPQRobin 17:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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