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Hi, Prof. Boeree:
- No. I do not know why it is there, and it need not be. For reasons I can't understand, I can't remove pages like I used to - the rules and regulations of wikipedia are a mystery to me! But if you can remove it, please go ahead. If you find any others, in all likelihood they, too, can be removed. Thanks! Cgboeree (talk) 20:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hi. I'll try to make this as easy as I can! Forgive me if I get too basic, but I just want to make sure you have the infrastructure in mind.
You may not always realize when you've jumped from one project to another, because their look and feel on-wiki is fairly standard.
- The Incubator is where projects get started and grow until they are ready to be out on their own. The Elefen Wikipedia was here from January 2017 until it was approved and spun off in April 2018.
- DraconicDark and @Robin van der Vliet. They are the only people besides you who have made substantive edits to this Wiktionary project. If you all agree to close the Wiktionary project I can do that, and even put a pointer to your other dictionary project in its place. , then I would encourage you to contact the following users on their user talk pages: @
- You never had the right to delete pages here on Incubator. You had the right to delete pages on the Elefen Wikipedia because you were an administrator there for three months. See this page just for a description of the extra rights an administrator has (compared to a "regular" user).
- On new and small projects (like Elefen Wikipedia), user rights like this are always temporary. Yours were good for three months, and expired a few days ago. In order to have the rights renewed, you have to go back to the page lfn:Vicipedia:Voteria and make a request to renew your administrator status. The request discussion must stay open at least seven days. Once that is successful, you then take the results to the stewards. (Chabi knows how, or ask here and I'll help.) This time, you will probably get the rights for six months, not only three.
- Thank you for your help! As I imagine you realize, wikipedia is a bizantine maze to the uninitiated. Cgboeree (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- It can be, to be sure. Let me just address a couple of items:
- Wiktionary. The language of a Wiktionary project establishes the language of the definitions, not necessary the language of the lemma. Thus, there is (for example) wikt:water, but also wikt:eau—and wikt:fr:eau, but also wikt:fr:water. (Actually, both of those have [limited] uses in the "wrong" languages. Maybe look at wikt:מים and wikt:fr:מים, too.) For what it's worth, Elefen is limited to an appendix in English Wiktionary (wikt:Appendix:Lingua Franca Nova), but you can find wikt:Appendix:Lingua Franca Nova/acua as well as wikt:fr:acua in Wiktionaries, too. An Elefen Wiktionary would be a Wiktionary where words from many languages are translated into Elefen.
- There's certainly no harm in leaving the main page of an Elefen Wiktionary in place, although if you would look at it to make sure it's in proper Elefen I would appreciate it. And I think I will add some pointers on the project's info page to both your dictionary project and the English Wiktionary appendix.
- Continuity of administrators. Your point is well taken. Your case in particular—as the acknowledged creator of and authority on the language—is quite unique. Most of the time, stewards are dealing with tradeoffs: does a new administrator use the administrator tools properly? Does s/he abuse them? Does the new administrator remain active? On big projects, the community itself can police these things, but in a small project, if an administrator gets abusive, it can be hard to stop him/her. By requiring an administrator to get reconfirmed at regular intervals, there is some check on potential dictatorial behavior.
- I'm sure in the normal course of events, you would be given a six-month term this time; I might be able to convince the stewards to go up to 12 months. But until a project gets big enough to police itself, administator terms will be time-limited. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- PS: If you find yourself hovering around the neighborhood of Rutgers University at some point, let me know. I live near New Brunswick, NJ, and would be happy to meet you. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you again for the help. I rarely travel nowadays - especially not thru NJ or NYC (tho' I grew up on LI and Waldwick NJ). I have lost my nerve for that kind of driving. But thank you for the invitation, and if I do head up that way, I will be sure to knock on your door (after calling you first, of course). Cgboeree (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- I just noticed on your homepage: You are interested in yiddish and ladino. I've "studied" yiddish a bit (not to the speaking level), but knowing Dutch and German (also a little), it isn't hard to read. As long as I can look up the hebrew words, of course. I've also looked at ladino for hints as to how far one can go with romance languages and still be a romance language. (like my interest in creoles, really, and afrikaans.) I'm not Jewish, but growing up on LI... well, you know. As they say, some of my best friends are Jewish. My son-in-law is Jewish, but he's the kind that has abandoned all things Jewish. Personally, I think that's a pity, but hey, I'm Dutch protestant and I don't have much to do with my heritage either. Oh, and my mother's mother's mother's mother and father were Jewish. So I suppose I could move to Israel with the rabbis' blessings! :-)
- Absolutely right! If you can prove your mother's mother's mother's mother, then you are Jewish by Jewish law. Mazal tov!
- Look, I am by no means a linguist—even a hobbyist to the degree you are. But Ladino (actually, speakers prefer "Judeo-Spanish") is unquestionably a Romance language; in its purest form, the principle loanwords are those naming religious concepts and items, like in Yiddish (or like in this Yeshivish that may or may not be a proto-Judeo-English).
- Until WW II, there was a large Sephardic community in Salonika. It was settled directly from Spain, and the language there was still relatively pure. But you know what WW II did to communities like that. Anyway, the largest remaining groups of speakers tend to have a more heavily Turkish-influenced version, so the Medieval Spanish is a little less "out there".
- On a separate subject, I'm going to edit your English Wikipedia user page just a hair. (We don't normally encourage such behavior, but I'll think you'll like what I'm going to do.) The visible change will be obvious. The less visible change will give you interwiki links between your English, Dutch and LFN user pages, just like regular articles have such links. (They won't go through Wikidata, but there are other ways to accomplish that.) Your user page here will point to the others, but I can't get them to point back. (Don't ask.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)