Incubator talk:Main Page/Archive 1

Note: This page was originally found at Talk:Test-wp at Meta. For comments made before June 7, 2006, the user signatures have been linked to user pages on that wiki.

Discussion moved from Meta:Requests for deletion

The following pages were kept since there was no consensus to delete them

Test-wp and others

Test-WP/zh-yue Test-WP/zh-yue/首頁 Test-WP/zh-yue/愛因斯坦 Test-WP/zh-yue/董建華 Test-WP/zh-yue/周星馳 Test-WP/zh-yue/番梘 Test-WP/zh-yue/廣東話 Test-WP/zh-yue/物理學 Test-WP/zh-yue/單車 Test-wp/sco/ Test-wp:Seeltersk Test-wp/Skandinavisk/Hovudside

Meta is not an encyclopedia nor hosting place for non approvied projects by concensus. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 23:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. -Hapsiainen 15:06, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. -- These test wikipedias indicate the level of activity and competence which can be expected for a given language and help developers to judge whether it is worthwhile going to the effort of creating a permanent project or not. -- Derek Ross 18:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. - The time and resources of developers is highly strained. These test wikipedias are well within guidelines, and show developers that the committment of time required is worth it. BryanAJParry

• Keep. - This was suggested on Wikipedia-l, appears to be sanctioned by the Foundation (Angela, for one, endorses it), and is constructive and well within the guidelines. The entire purpose is for TESTING - these are Wikipedias that either were approved by consensus but have not yet been created, ones where there was no consensus and are in a test phase to see if a critical mass can be reached and brought back for a new community discussion, and ones where the community has not been asked. These are not new or unapproved projects. They are new languages for an existing project. Please, leave them alone. --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
  • A language that no-one has suggested in Requests for new languages, is definitely new and unapproved project. Try to look for Skandinavisk Wikipedia among requests. And Anglela isn't the same as Wikimedia Foundation. She acts as a private person unless otherwise stated. -Hapsiainen 11:30, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, of course. James F. (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, Meta is exactly the hosting place for non approved projects under discussion. It is its goal. Anthere

• Keep Arbeo 10:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Trilobite 12:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Mendor 12:24, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep ILVI

• Build a formal Cantonese Wikipedia Because the cantonese wikipedia is tested for over 1 years! Oscarcwk 03:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Scotland

Meta is not an encyclopdia, maybe the page is useful elsewhere, but not here. oscar 07:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. The whole point of the meta wiki in those languages (languages without a wiki, presently) is to give a taste for what a full wiki in that language would be like. If we are not allowed to put any articles in those metawikis, then those metawikis literally serve no function. -Bryan (anon)

Although it has a point, it doesn't fit in what Meta was intended for (see Meta:About). (unsigned)

Untrue. This article is an example of role 3 in the Meta:About article. -- Derek Ross 02:26, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Founding new encyclopedias here is impatient and selfish. Can't you just wait for the permission for a new Wikipedia? If you don't get it, the encyclopedia here has been only wasting the bandwith of Wikimedia Foundation. If you get it, you have still shot yourselves in the foot. Now you have difficulties in moving articles' edit histories to the new Wikipedia. -Hapsiainen 15:03, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Just how is it SELFISH? WASTING???????????? What are you talking about? Just leave these people in peace. --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I wrote it for a principle, so it isn't only about one article. In retrospect, I used harsh language, but with this explanation, you should understand what I am talking about. -Hapsiainen 11:30, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

You ought to be banned for this petty, destructive behaviour. Trilobite 12:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I haven't destructed anything, I have just written here. I dropped a brick once, and I have publicly admitted that it was inappropriate. Even if I didn't have apologized it, it still wouldn't be a good reason enough to ban anyone. It seems that you are irritated because I have disturbing, devastating Wrong Opinion. But I still wonder, why I haven't run around raving mad, and blanked, cracked, and nuked anything I disagree, if The Opinion and I are that dangerous. -Hapsiainen 18:46, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. When I made the request that a Scots wiki be set up to the Wikipedia-L mailing list, the subscribers suggested that I create this temporary mockup in order to convince the WikiMedia Foundation developers that it was a worthwhile enterprise. While I was aware of the drawbacks that you have listed, I thought that I would give it a try. Now you are suggesting (a) that I am impatient and selfish for following Wikipedia-L advice and (b) that following it will have exactly the opposite effect to that which was intended. Which of these two conflicting viewpoints should I believe ? Yours or Wikipedia-L's ? -- Derek Ross 17:26, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, Derek, hence my frustration. Exactly what ARE we supposed to do, then. How exactly are we meant to have an ecyclopaedia mockup when we are not allowed to post anything at all that would be in the encyclopaedia? And Hapsiainen, I don't see how a single article is a consumption of bandwidth so great that it warrants us being called "selfish". Explain to me the harm of showcasing a single article in scots, and we shall most likely delete it ourselves. I do dout that you will be able to come up with a valid reason, tho' (for the reasons Derek has stated above). As anon. in fact stated earlier, role 3 of the Meta:About article says we are meant to prepare content for the (possible) upcoming encyclopaedia. That is what we are doing. BryanAJParry

• Delete: Derek, you got a wrong advice. There are many people who don't know meta policies and believe meta hosts also unapproved Wikipedia. In fact, meta is not an encyclopedia. And you can start your wiki on wikicities. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 19:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps I did get wrong advice. However at the moment I am unsure whether the wrong advice is coming from you or from other parties. I've been working on the Wikimedia projects for the last four years and I'm well aware of the difference between Meta and Wikipedia and the purpose of Meta. As far as I am concerned discussion of and experimentation on new Wikipedia editions falls well within that purpose. Meta:About seems to agree with me too. I am well aware that I could request that a new wikicity be set up for experimentation and I did consider that. However it seems to me that if that were to be done, we might as well just start up sco.wikipedia.org since it would involve the same amount of work as setting up scowikipedia.wikicity.org: work that would have to be repeated for sco.wikipedia.org and so I rejected the idea. -- Derek Ross 02:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Please. Please discuss it in Wikipedia-l and Foundation-l. PLEASE don't delete or destroy our beginning work, our hope. Please let it be here until it will moved to real Wikipedia!!!-Võrok 21:18, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Too late, Võrok; Aphaia has officiously destroyed the scots wiki for us. Well done, Aphaia. I can't express my disgust and absolute anger in polite words. I suggest you, Aphaia, make up for this act of total nonsense (nonsense as it contravenes role 3, mentioned above) by telling us exactly how we ARE meant to proceed.

• Keep -- This article is a test example for the prototype Scots wikipedia. When that is configured it will be time to delete this article but not before then. NB The article was accidentally created in the wrong place and I have taken the liberty of moving it within the Test-wp/sco sub-pages. -- Derek Ross 03:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. - The article is merely a test for the (possible) upcoming Scots wikipedia. It will be deleted when appropriate. It is well within guidelines and rights. --BryanAJParry (who forgot to sign it. Check the edit history if you want to confirm this.)

• Keep notafish }<';> 08:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep..... --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - I don't know what Aphaia is thinking. Lankiveil 10:20, May 20, 2005 (UTC).

• I believe that demonstration projects are allowed on Meta (see also Wikinews demos at New language pre-launch), but that they should be limited in scope. I vote to keep as long as they are clearly used only to demonstrate, not to subvert the process for creating new language editions by filling Meta with encyclopedic content. Hence, I suggest that each of these projects is limited to 100 pages.--Eloquence 13:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep -- though as Erik suggested, I think they should be limited in scope. Once they hit a certain number of viable articles, a Wikipedia should be launched for them. Unlike Erik, however, I think the bar should be lowered. 20 articles is a decent size. Danny 14:02, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not arguing they have to create 100 (or 20) articles to be recognized as a Wikimedia language, and I would caution against an automatism to that effect. A certain number of articles may be one necessary condition, but I don't think it is sufficient. There are plenty of constructed languages for which we probably don't want Wikipedia editions (remember Toki Pona?), and there may be ideas which are rejected for other reasons (e.g. a UK/US Wikipedia split). Whether people are interested in a language edition and willing to work on it is surely the single most important question to ask, but it's not the only one. The decision should be an independent one, and I fear that filling Meta with encyclopedic content, without limits, could undermine that. Hence my suggestion of an upper cap.--Eloquence 14:23, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree. Only a small number of articles should be allowed. And achievement of x number of articles should not mean a language automatically gets it own wiki. One could ask whether Scots is actually a seperate language from English, but of course bear full in mind that "dialect" and "language" are not two seperate boxes. We can seethat: Scottish is the, or one, language of a nation (Scotland); different in wordhoard, grammar, and idiom to English (and other languages); was used as the "official" language of Scotland for some hundreds of years; has a long and extensive literary tradition; has several distinct, but clearly related, dialects. Bearing these things in mind, and considering how Serbian and Croatian have different wikis (not mentioning the Scandinavian tungs, of course) I think it is safe to say that Scots deserrves its own wiki. The differences between Standard Southern British English and General American are so small as to not warrant seperate wikis for them. And thus, if allowed, our good selves with an interest in Scots, either as outsiders or homeborn speakers of it, will continue to discuss any possible future Scots wiki in the meta-test-wiki, and also will go on with a small number of short articles. BryanAJParry

• Keep as a demonstration project. This is precisely one of meta role. Anthere

• Keep, but it should be created very soon real Scots language Wiki, Scots deserves it -Võrok 00:32, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Arbeo 10:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Mendor 11:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Ban Aphaia for going round trying to destroy nascent projects like this. Trilobite 12:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

• Trilobite, I certainly have noticed, just thro' incidence, that Aphaia seems to be editting and destroying lots of things that he shouldn't. Generally making a nuisance out of himself. However, the number of Keep votes here I think, combined with the work being done on the test wiki, mean that it won't be long afore a fullblown Scots wiki is made (touch wood). BryanAJParry

• Let's hope so. I think it's a good idea in general that when the viability of a new language wiki is in question, it should begin on Meta and be allowed to 'go live' when a few articles are written and it's clear that there's sufficient interest to stop the project from stalling. I saw that this had been decided on the mailing list and came over to see how the Scots wiki was getting on, only to find that someone was trying to destroy it. This seems to me another reason why the mailing lists ought not to exist at all. If the discussion had taken place on the wiki the objections of Aphaia and others could have been raised in advance and this acrimony would have been avoided. While I'm not really in a position to contribute to a future Scots Wikipedia I wish you all the best with it and I'll look forward to reading it. Someone pointed out somewhere that Scots is now almost the only language of any great size in Western Europe not to have its own edition of Wikipedia. The sooner this can be put right the better. It's unfortunate to see others pushing in the opposite direction out of some petty urge to zealously 'police' the wiki. Trilobite 16:23, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Another "Wikipedia"

Test-wp/fiu-vro/, Võro kiil', Image:Voromkaart.jpg. Meta is not an encyclopedia and it is rude to make a Wikipedia within meta. Those editors have to get consent from the community. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 20:23, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep -- Under role 3 of Meta:About this article and all its subpages have a perfect right to exist on Metapedia as a demonstration project for discussion purposes. -- Derek Ross 03:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

This (Test-wp/fiu-vro/) is test page for en:Võro language. This is recommended in Wikipedia-l list that it should be created a test page in new language before creating new Wikipedia in this language. See request of Võro Wikipedia. It was suggested in Wikipedia-l that new languages' editors should create a test page here and reach some 100-200 articles before real Wikipedia in the new language will created. If this is not true way, please give me another place for this beginning work. -Võrok 21:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I am not a rude criminal. Please don't be rude with me! Please understand that I want to do my best for my small endangered language!!! Please! Please discuss it in Wikipedia-l and Foundation-l. PLEASE don't delete or destroy our beginning work, our hope. Please let it be here until it will moved to real Wikipedia!!! -Võrok 21:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Võrok, don't sweat it. Aphaia is often rude with people when it is not warranted. It isn't personal. --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

1. Please read Meta:About.
2. Meta is not Wikipedia, and your requests is against meta policies including the above and Meta:Deletion policy. And wikipedia-l has no right to set meta policies. You should have talked on Meta:Babel if you want to change meta policies.
3. "A test page" - okay, but "some 100-200 pages" are not equal to "a one test page"; it is too much and unacceptable. You mean your "test wiki" will be grown up to one tenth of meta content. Even your onw "small" wiki. Such attempt will bother other editors including me, and disturb their activities. Meta RC will be flooded with your stubs.
4. And you can utilize wikicities instead of meta. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 21:32, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read Meta:About yourself, Aphralia -- #3 indicates this. --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I am really in panic now. How can I know that my work will not be threaten to erase from Wikicites after some days. Can somebody help me to save my work from this dangerous place. Can somebody show me the place (in Wikicites or wherever) where I can copy Võro page to save it from here?-Võrok 22:21, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you took my wording so aggressive. I think you are on a good faith, but your idea and way doesn't match meta policy. For a long time we haven't accepted "Wikipedia on meta", and we have good reasons to keep it as our policy from our experience.

In the past, some of wiki started from meta but they had only sone "two or three" test pages - Main Page and some example articles. I think it is a bad idea to keep a sample wiki with over 100 articles. Instead of stubs, you were better to submit one or three certain long articles.

I think wikicities willingly incubates your wiki - If you are afraid, ask Angela whether your wiki will be welcome on wikicities. Good luck. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 23:35, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

A core policy on Wikicities is that a wiki will not be created if its main goal is to fork or duplicate content which is, or potentially could be, on a Wikimedia project. There would need to be consensus within the Wikipedia community that this language could not be an official Wikipedia language before Wikicities would be allowed to have it. Having said that, this policy does not apply to our "Scratchpad" wiki, where anyone can create a temporary mini wiki without any approval, so long as that meets the Terms of use. Angela 01:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. These demo Wikipedias have a lot more relevance to Wikimedia that playing chess. Angela 01:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC) [this comment applies to all the test wikipedias currently listed for deleton, not just the fiu-vro one. --Angela]

• Well said, Angela. -- Derek Ross 02:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Role 3 of Meta:About makes these wikis quite appropriate. It is the best way to test-run wikis, and show developers that any possible wiki is worth their time.BryanAJParry

• Keep. But I would have voted for the chess to be kept as well ;-) notafish }<';> 08:13, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Come on already!!! --Node ue 10:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• I believe that demonstration projects are allowed on Meta (see also Wikinews demos at New language pre-launch), but that they should be limited in scope. I vote to keep as long as they are clearly used only to demonstrate, not to subvert the process for creating new language editions by filling Meta with encyclopedic content. Hence, I suggest that each of these projects is limited to 100 pages.--Eloquence 13:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I have no problem with a hundred page limit. If any demo wiki reaches that size then it has demonstrated that it is viable in any case (assuming that there are no other reasons preventing its creation). Moving a hundred or more pages to a new location (and probably losing their history in the process) is not a good use of anybody's time. Twenty well chosen and well executed pages should be enough to convince the community. -- Derek Ross 14:37, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Anthere

• Thank you all, who helped save vro and sco test Wikis! It seems it is safe now to continue writing articles in these test Wikis. :) -Võrok 00:27, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Absolutely!! Your support, everyone, has gladdened my heart greatly!! :D BryanAJParry

• Keep. A beautiful language, an enthusiastic contributor! Võrok has shown with his/her test articles that he/she is committed to contributing to a Võro Wikipedia. How about we move past the bureaucracy and actually set one up? Ronline 02:25, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Arbeo 10:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. People have had time to back up their edits. I agree that test wikis may fill recent changes and make it inaccessible. For people that point to Meta-wiki rule #3, the rule has a loophole because it doesn't define what appropriate content would be. I have always thought that the appropriate content in #3 is about collaboration between Wikimedia projects. -Hapsiainen 11:30, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. This attempt at castle jumping makes me very angry. Trilobite 12:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
  • You can't see through anyone, when you are angry. -Hapsiainen 18:46, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Conserver / Keep Alvaro 15:13, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
• Keep Mendor 22:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Test-wp versus Test-WP

• Halló! Please take a look at

1. special:Prefixindex/Test-WP
2. special:Prefixindex/Test-wp

• It would be more easy to find the pages if they would have the same "parent page".
• Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 20:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Test-WP/foo versus Test-WP/foo/

• Halló! Please take a look at Test-wp/nor/Angliais. The "parent page" Test-wp/nor/ is not shown. Note that Test-WP/hsb/Domowina shows Test-WP and Test-WP/hsb as "parent pages".
• Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 20:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

How About To Make a Chinglish Wikipedia

en:Chinglish is a mixing language of :en:Chinese and :en:English, it is mainly used in en:Hong Kong and en:Singapore because they mixed up the grammar of Chinese and English, and than Wikimedia is welcome to write wikipedias in all languages, so I hope the Chinglish Wikipedia can be formed early.

Under this sentence is in Chinglish:

Chinglish is a Chinese-English mixed language. Because they mixed up the Chinese's and English's Grammar, they usually to use the Chinese's grammer to write English, this is mainly see at Hong Kong and Singapore. I hope the Chinglish Wikipedia can earlier formed.Oscarcwk 01:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, this looks like a very minor variant of English, which can be understood without even being a native English speaker by all those that learn English as a secondary language. It looks as if there were a fewgrammatical errors (unconjugated verbs),and really does not differenciate much from standard English (if English has a standard, given the variations between American English, British English, South African English, Indian English in domains which are more difficult to understand due to change of vocabulary... The differences in Chinglish is not really reflecting the Chinese language, so this is really not a creole, as seen on this example: there's no visible change of orthography reflecting deep changes in the spoken language, and no demonstration of a specific vocabulary reflecting the vernacular Chinese usage.

May be you are making a confusion with Macanese, which is really a new creole language mixing Portuguese and Chinese (and some English) in Macau, and which is now difficult to understand by native Portuguese speakers, including in the written form... Verdy p 09:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Real Chinglish is more like this:

你ｒｅ不　ｒｅｍｅｍｂｅｒ　我的　ｎａｍｅ？

Ｅｖｅｎ我给他，　他还是要　ｃｏｍｐｌａｉｎ．

For a Zazaki Test Wikipedia!

You can see here, that Zazaki is NOT a kurdish dialect. The kurds will be assimilated the zazas. We need strongly a own zazaish Wikipedia! Thank you! --Sobê 17:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Why_we_not_compare_Zazaish_and_Kurdish.3F

Hi Sobê, you're right. Consider the request for a Zazaki wikipedia approved (it has had enough approval), most probably you can it to the page Approved requests for new languages, where it can attracj the attention of a developer. Caesarion 21:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Caesarian, are you crazy? About half the votes are opposing. --Node ue 22:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Node, you know I'm not. The reason I said he could move the request was that most of the votes, at least at the moment I was writing it, were clearly politically inspired: "Zazas are Kurds, so Zazaki is Kurdish and should not get its own wiki", often accompanioed by some hollow insults. That's entirely the wrong reason to oppose a new wiki, and I my opinion those oppose votes did not really count. However, I think it would be wiser not to move the request at least until the case has cooled down a bit: it would cause an edit war and some new personal attacks. Caesarion 08:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Chaldon Siberian

I do not know what is Yupik, the Chaldon is Nothern Russian of Novgorod, codifying by Siberian grammar and fonetics of the Northern Russian--Yaroslav Zolotaryov 08:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

So, in two hours there are FIVE contributors who want to write on the sibwiki, and this is only the beginning. Only 2 hours before I invited chaldons to contribute from our site. May I begin the full test of the siberian wikipedia? --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

List Cleanup

The complete list of test codes has been reviewed according to standards, and cleaned up, making distinctions between inexistant codes whose pages should be renamed, and those that are standardized.

Please keep the list clean. Don't invent codes that don't exist. Look into ISO 639 (notably ISO 639-3 and in the associated Ethnologue report to see how languages are currently classified, and whever they have or don't have a reserved code).

Many pages now need cleanup by moving them to the appropriate code. When this cleanup will be done, it will be much easier to migrate the tests to an acutal wiki project, without having to infer many links

Please keep the incubator clean and respect the naming conventions for easier migration later. You'll find help about ISO 639 at top of the page. It was a nightmare to find the various inaccuracies, and unfortunately, bad codes have been created for a few rencently opened wikipedias; for example:

• "fiu-vro", using the "fiu" standard ISO 639-2 code but for the Finno-Ugrian family, followed by a non-standard variant code, instead of "vro" which existed in ISO 639-3,
• "map-bms", using the "map" standard ISO 639-2 code but for the Malayo-Polynesian family, followed by a non standard variant code, instead of using "jv-bms" (for the Javanese language under which the Banyumasan lange is classified in ISO, and should have been encoded as a variant).

This would not have happened if people had looked into standard references (but the previous page was not very informative enough to make the proper checking.)

Now it's time to ensure that all articles in closed tests (imported too within the new Wikiepdia incubator project instead of keeping them on Meta) have been migrated into the new open Wikipedias. If so, start deleting the old articles (comment those articles that you have verified and reviewed when blanking them, administrators will then delete the old test pages that have been blanked or marked for deletion.

Thanks.

Note: the table is in a template that is still used for maintenance of the incubator project. But a better home page should be made, giving a simpler view of active tests. This maintenance page should be kept but moved somewhere else in a meta page. Some test languages still don't have a correct description anywhere. If you find it somewhere on Wikipedia, add them. Don't forget to fill in as well the English and local language names.

— The comment above was made by a user at the IP address 86.221.102.98.

Please mark moved articles as such ones on Meta!

Please mark moved articles as such ones on Meta! Some (or many?) articles has been moved to this wiki, most people didn't know, and now we have new contributions on Meta to some Test-WPs. Please always delete all the content from a moved article on Meta and replace it by a template or just a sentence saying what's up with that page and where to find the now location. This makes the whole process much easier and only a one-time job, thanks! --84.156.127.161 01:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. —Nightstallion (?) 09:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it enough to have the warning displayed at the top of all pages of Meta? All pages have been copied to Incubator. Pages have still not been deleted from Meta because there may still exist things to transfer (notably templates, or pages that did not respect the naming convention). These pages on Meta should be treated read-only (modifications are only there to help collectng the existing content before its transfer to Incubator.

But don't copy once again pages from Meta on top of existing pages of Incubator! The Incubator pages have been edited, but the Meta pages are now all considered outdated. If you do that, you'll destroy the cleanup job that was initiated on Incubator!!! Instead edit the pages on Incubator to include the few omissions, but please ignore all the edits made on Meta (these edits on Meta are only there to help collecting the existing content, and all additions are no more tolerated on Meta).

There are still technical problems on Incubator, but please take the time to organize the content on Incubator, as the transfer is not perfect. These technical difficulties are exactly demonstrating that the creation of a new Wiki from an Incubator project will be difficult if you don't respect the naming conventions.

So, two things to remember:

• Don't create templates without a qualifying language prefix in their name!
• Don't localize the prefix "Template:"! Meta and Incubator support only one English name for the namespaces, but all wiki projects also support the English namespace names as equivalent to their localized namespace name. So you don't need to do that!

Thanks. Verdy p 09:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Old stuff ready for being deleted

See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Delete. --- Melancholie 02:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Logo

Will Incubator have its own logo at some point? —Nightstallion (?) 09:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Note: Discussion opened at meta:Logo for Incubator. —Nightstallion (?) 16:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

proven of worth

Changed sentence to:

and proven of worth for being hosted by Wikimedia

It's still poor. I think it means to say:

proven worthy of being

MaxEnt 00:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Great doing guys!!!!

wiktionaries and wikibooks

can we test other wikimedia projects here, like wiktionary and wikibooks? or the incubator is only for wikipedias? --Saluyot 14:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

It's for all new language versions of existing projects, so it's fine to add future Wiktionary and Wikibooks content here. The policies on what sort of other projects are allowed here haven't been worked out yet. Angela 12:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Bear in mind that Wikisource has its own system for testing new languages. Dbmag9 19:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Test Wikitionary

Hi, Can I know the details regarding starting a wiktionary test project in a new language.

Eg, for a new wikipedia we are testing using Wp/{language code}, what is it for wiktionary? is it Wt/{language code} or something else, pls someone enlighten me about it.

Bdebbarma 12:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello (maybe my answer is a bit late, but better late than never :p). First you need to make a request at Meta, and then you can make a a test Wiktionary. To answer on your question: the most used is Wikt/"code". SPQRobin 14:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Language lessons - well: we need a place where to work

Hi, as some of you probably know I was already thingking about "language lessons" - not only in book format, but also as slide shows, games, etc. We need a place to work this out - it does not make sense to do this on Wiktionary, Wikibooks or any other project since it is an inter project project - I mean: all projects will be somewhat involved here. Acutal name for the project: Languagefun. I'll start to create things from there. If you feel, this is not the right place to start this, please let me know - if we don't find a place on the wikimedia servers, I can pass things also on my own server, but I would prefer to remain here. Thanks! --SabineCretella 13:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Will it be only english language? --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 15:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent idea, and nice progress! I have only one comment. This is an excellent resource for kids, but it is not very encyclopeic and would not be a good resource for adults. Is an adult version underway? Seldon1 19:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Prefixation of the categories

Maybe it would be difficult for new users? In fact, the East-Slavonic Confederation now makes all categories as subcategories of main category representing the language, for example, categories in Siberian wiki are all subcats of main category "Siberian", in belarussian - of main category "Belarussian", etc --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 11:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

What? You don't need categories to mark the page language, the title prefix is enough. Templates and categories used in the pages should also have the prefix (for example: Template:Test-wp/en/name). Dbmag9 11:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Now we have about 100 categories and 1200 pages, it would be quite impossible to rename 1300 entries quickly --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 13:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

A good point. When I think of it now, there is no need for categories to be prefixed. Just don't put any text on the category page (ie leave it a redlink) and when the pages are moved into the domain the system will keep the redlinked categories. You can then add text to them. Dbmag9 13:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

1337 Wikipedia

Yeah, it's frivolous. Yeah, it's a waste of time. But it'd be fun, and it's not like the serious editors who could actually do large amounts of good in a serious 'pedia would be the ones wasting their time there. Is there any particular reason not to have the Quenya wikipedia joined by one in t3h 13375p33|<? 17 w0|_|lD 7074lLy r0(kz0RZ.--Mobius Soul 19:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

But, to be honest, Wikipedia is not about 'fun', it's about making something which improves the world. The Quenya Wikipedia, although I personally do not really see the point in it, is at least written in a unique language. This l337 Wikipedia could be written entirely by a computer transcribing the English one. Sorry, but this one's not for us. Dbmag9 19:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This is, after all, an encyclopedia, and a 1337 wiki would be useless. 1337 is not an official language, and besides, no one would read an article in 1337 if they want to look for serious information. Seldon1 19:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed code kb to trp(as recommended)

Hi, the test page Test-wp/trp has been created. Tell me what more to do now for the acceptance of the test page for Tripuri(Kokborok).

--Tiprasa

Kabyle wikipedia

It has already been approved, but there was no one to explain the next steps... [Millosh] advised me to come here.

BTW, I could not edit the main page, please see :

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kab

--Toira

Logos

Just thought I'd point this out: The logos for Commons, Wikisource, Incubator, Meta, and the Wikimedia Foundation are all simple, but Wikipedia's is a complex globe. Yes, it is the most used site of all the branches, but why does it get a special logo? In addition, the other logos all follow the color sceme of red, blue, white, and green. Again, Wikipedia is different. Firstly, could someone explain this? Second, why not change the Wikipedia logo to fit the other branches' theme? Wikipedia isn't so special--it's just a part of a bigger project, as we all know. Seldon1 19:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia was the first and is still the center of the Wikimedia universe, around which everything else orbits. The logos reflect this reality. Besides, the Wikipedia logo is cool. Dunning 22:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Sakha Wikipedia

... should be linked from the main page as well (Wp/sah). --Johannes Rohr 11:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

[1] by 71.234.9.178. Toira 22:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Zeelandic Wikipedia link

The Zeelandic Wikipedia link isn't correct. It takes you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/zea:. Aeetlrcreeyl 17:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Беларуская

be	Belarusian Wikipedia	ISO 639-3 draft	Belarusian language	Беларуская

There is likely no alpha-2 code in the ISO-639, but be is one. --Purodha 00:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Gronings testwiki

Could anyone ad the next testwiki to the list? Gruna 1 19:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

done SPQRobin 16:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Tests in the Incubator - Click the project code to visit (edit)

New language tests
Code	Assigned category	Code origin	English language name	Local language name
gos	Gronings Wikipedia	ISO 639-3/DIS	Gronings	Grönnegs

Ancient greek wikipedia

Could someone add the test wiki (which is still very young) (Wp/grc) to the list? The request can be found here. The ISO 639-2 code is grc; the language name in greek is Ἑλληνικὴ γλῶττα. Thanks--Lefcant 23:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Zlatiborian test-WP okay?

The request for a Wikipedia in "Zlatiborian" got rejected a long time ago (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Zlatiborian). Basically, it turned out to be a hoax or semi-hoax. Now a new Zlatiborian test Wikipedia has popped up here in the Incubator. Does it make any sense to let rejected languages (with no likelihood of getting approved in the future) use the Incubator? I for one would like to avoid this type of sprawl and limit Incubator usage to the original purpose. --Arbeo 14:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Completely New Projects vs. New Language Projects on Incubator

Clarification is needed on this page, as indicated at Incubator:Community Portal. Squideshi 11:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Aeres Test-Wikipedia

Could somebody put yhe aeres test-wikipedia to the list? link is Wp/aeres. The code is invented. Just started today, so there aren't many articles. Vælke 10:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ik zie dat je Nederlands spreekt, dus in plaats van "done", "gedaan" ;-) SPQRobin 16:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

De meeste mensen die aeres spreken spreken ook nederlands (of duits) :) Dat komt omdat 't 'n soort van grens-taaltje is... Markvondeegel 16:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Zoals Wp/frr denk ik. SPQRobin 17:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Zo iets ja, maar dan iets meer mensen in Nederland dan in Duitsland :) Markvondeegel 17:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

English Wikipedia in the International Phonetic Alphabet (en-ipa)

Is it possible to start a Wikipedia in IPA? I ask here because I'm not familiar with the bureaucracy, but I see no one's proposed it so far, apparently. I mean a Wikipedia with narrow transcription (allophones instead of phonemes), in order to avoid conflicts with the phonemes. Is that possible? --Renate Allshouse 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

For this you have to go to meta:Requests for new languages. But I see there was already a request, see meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia IPA English, which was closed. If you want to start a new requests, please read meta:Meta:Language proposal policy. SPQRobin 01:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Please infer the idea again by asking for an English variant spelling. This will have to be implemented in software. It would add a translation module which transforms English text (in standard English spelling) to IPA, and outputs the IPA version. I see several obstacles, though, since some proper names and foreign words which are likely present in english texts, need to be exempt from the English version of the IPA translation, but that is somehting, implementes need to be aware of, and need to deal with. If you like, you can as well ask for an IPA representation of other language editions as well.

While I think, it's not likely to be implemented quickly in a usable and reliable way, I do think, its a good way to push some required quality enhancements into the textual data, such as proper language tagging, e.g. that would on the long run support not only phonetic spelling modules but also phonetic output software and such devices, which I for one see as a good idea. --84.60.245.60 16:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Bikol Wikipedia

Final approval, now! --Filipinayzd 21:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Greek Wikiversity

Could someone add the test wiki to the list? Here is the request. The ISO 639-1 code is el. The language name in greek is Ελληνικά

Thanks--ZaDiak

Incubator is for all projects except Wikiverity and Wikisource. For Wikiversities, you have to go to betawikiversity:. SPQRobin 13:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

.... and for Wikisource (in case anyone is wondering) you just have to go to oldwikisource:. Cbrown1023 talk 15:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information--ZaDiak

From where can I translate the template for a wikiversity?

Which template? MF-Warburg 17:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I want to make a test project for the greek wikiversity and ithink I have to translate a template.

I don't know. The rules are (from betawikiversity:Main Page):

If you want to set up a new Wikiversity, you must have ten active participants who are willing to work on that language project. When you have this number you can request (at meta) for a new language domain to be set up. In the meantime, please add your project's main page to Template:Main page.

But maybe there's a greek wikiversity test yet, see betawikiversity:Κύρια Σελίδα?? I don't know Greek. MF-Warburg 17:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

How can I create a test (there isn't one now -I know it because I wrote Κυρια Σελιδα-)?

Create a category betawikiversity:Category:EL which is in betawikiversity:Category:Pages by language and add pages (of course Greek ones) into it. MF-Warburg 17:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Τhank you very very very very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Automated list of test Wikipedias

• Wp/aln (Gheg)
• Wp/arc (Mandaic)
• Wp/arn (Mapudungun)
• Wp/aro (Araona? uses Phoenician script for some reason)
• Wp/art-da (MakkiTa artifical Dutch-Danish language)
• Wp/ban (Balinese)
• Wp/bat-bld (not identifiable)
• Wp/bcl (Bikol)
• Wp/bro-nor (unidentifiable; looks like some sort of English dialect)
• Wp/brx (Boro)
• Wp/btz (Batak Alas-Kluet)
• Wp/bua/Үлзытын Дондог (Buriat)
• Wp/bum (Bulu)
• Wp/ch (Chamorro)
• Wp/chi (Chin)
• Wp/chm (Mari)
• Wp/cho (Choctaw)
• Wp/ckt (Chukchi)
• Wp/cps (Capiznon)
• Wp/cop (Coptic)
• Wp/crh (Crimean Tatar)
• Wp/dlc (invalid ISO code)
• Wp/dsb (Lower Sorbian)
• Wp/dv-Mahal (unidentifiable)
• Wp/dv-mahl (unidentifiable)
• Wp/eml/Prèmma pagina (Emilian-Rumagnol; note: Wiki already exists)
• Wp/enm (Middle English)
• Wp/epa/Potata (invalid ISO code)
• Wp/es-1/Página principal (some Spanish dialect)
• Wp/ext (Extremaduran)
• Wp/fil (Filipino)
• Wp/frc (Cajun French)
• Wp/frr (North Frisian)
• Wp/gal/Kurów (Gallo)
• Wp/gan (Gan)
• Wp/gem-zws/Zeêuws-Vlaondere (unidentifiable)
• Wp/gos (Gronings)
• Wp/gos-li (rejected)
• Wp/grc (Ancient Greek)
• Wp/gsc-brn (unidentifiable)
• Wp/gsc-es/Pagina principau (Aranese)
• Wp/hif (Fiji Hindi)
• Wp/hil (Hiligaynon)
• Wp/hmn (Hmong)
• Wp/ho (Hiri Motu)
• Wp/hz (Herero)
• Wp/iar (Purari)
• Wp/ii (Yi)
• Wp/ikodobo/ (unidentifiable)
• Wp/inh/Кертера оагIув] (Ingush)
• Wp/jpn-bungo (Bungo)
• Wp/jpn-classical (Classical Japanese)
• Wp/kaa (Karakalpak)
• Wp/kac (Kachin)
• Wp/kb (invalid ISO code; Kokborok)
• Wp/kbd (Kabardian)
• Wp/kd (invalid ISO code)
• Wp/kj (Kwanyama)
• Wp/kjh (Khakassian)
• Wp/kln (Kipsigis)
• Wp/ko-hanja (Korean Hanja)
• Wp/ko-south (South Korean)
• Wp/kok (Konkani)
• Wp/kpy (Koryak)
• Wp/krc (Karachay-Malkar)
• Wp/krj (Kinaray-a)
• Wp/krl (Karelian)
• Wp/lah (Lahu)
• Wp/lld (Ladin)
• Wp/loz (Lozi)
• Wp/ltg (Latgalian)
• Wp/mad (Madurase)
• Wp/mcq (Ese)
• Wp/mdf (Moksha)
• Wp/mfe (Morisyen/Mauritian Creole)
• Wp/mhd/Houptsite (Mbugu according to ISO, test project claims Middle High German)
• Wp/min (Minangkabau)
• Wp/mis-ryu (Japanese dialect?)
• Wp/mnc (Manchu)
• Wp/mur (Murle)
• Wp/mus (Muscogee)
• Wp/myv (Erzya)
• Wp/nan (Min Nan; note: Wiki already exists)
• Wp/nde (Northern Ndebele)
• Wp/niu (Niuean)
• Wp/njo (Ao)
• Wp/nmc/Aniya biya (Ngam)
• Wp/non (Old Norse)
• Wp/nso/Letlakala la pele (Sepedi)
• Wp/ota (Ottoman Turkish)
• Wp/pad (Paumari)
• Wp/pcd (Picard)
• Wp/pdt (Plautdietsch)
• Wp/pes (West Farsi)
• Wp/pfl (Palatinate)
• Wp/phn (Phoenician)
• Wp/pko (Pökoot)
• Wp/pnt (Pontic)
• Wp/prg (Prussian)
• Wp/prs (East Farsi)
• Wp/pt-br (Brazilian Portuguese)
• Wp/pt-riv (Riverense Portuñol)
• Wp/pte (invalid ISO code)
• Wp/qya (Quenya)
• Wp/rar (Rarotongan)
• Wp/rif (Riffian)
• Wp/rtm (Rotuman)
• Wp/ru-old (Pre-reform Russian)
• Wp/rue/Курув (Rusyn)
• Wp/sah (Sakha)
• Wp/sak (Sake)
• Wp/sdc (Sassarese)
• Wp/sei (Seri)
• Wp/shi (Tachelhit)
• Wp/sla (Slavic, other)
• Wp/sma/Åejjiebielie (Southern Sami)
• Wp/sr-zlatb (Zlatborian)
• Wp/srn (Sranan)
• Wp/stq (Saterlandic)
• Wp/surzh (Surzhyk)
• Wp/sv-vrm (Värmlandic)
• Wp/sxu (Upper Saxon)
• Wp/tigr (unidentifiable)
• Wp/trp (Kokborok)
• Wp/tvl (Tuvalu)
• Wp/tyv (Tuvan)
• Wp/vi-nom (Chu nom)
• Wp/wawa (Chinook Jargon)
• Wp/wls ('Uvean)
• Wp/wm/Langær wamarand (unidentifiable)
• Wp/x-West Frisian (creol) (West Frisian creole)
• Wp/yen (Old Turkic)
• Wp/zea (note: Wiki already exists)
• Wp/zh-cdo (Min Dong; note: Wiki already exists)

I hope this list will be useful. -- 84.178.247.140 16:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is! Thanks! I see it's time to clean up some trash. -Markvondeegel 16:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinook wawa

Hoi, the Chinook wawa has iso-639-3 code chn. Please do not call the project wawa because with that code it will never get a Wikipedia. Also with the chn code you can ask to start the localisation at BetaWiki Thanks, GerardM 23:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Qivorina Wikipedia

Could someone please check which language "Qivorina" is? The used code "qvs" seems to be incorrect: ethnologue.com: Quechua, San Martín, language of Peru. Raymond 07:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do you think it is incorrect? Seems the right language to me... SPQRobin 16:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

WHERE ARE THE WIKIS

Are wikis started here or at Meta-Wiki, or at Wikia? WHERE?!151.198.24.50 23:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Depends on. New languages of Wikimedia projects are started here; and on Wikia you can start other wikis. --MF-W {a, b} 11:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Northern Sotho spelling mistake

Northern is spelt incorrectly (no 'r') - can an admin with access to edit this page please fix it. Thanks ! Greenman 20:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. You can do this yourself by editing Template:Tests or Template:Tests-old. --MF-W {a, b} 08:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Translate the main page

Goodday! I'm a French wikimedian user and I'm wondering if there was a chance that the main page could be translated, using this French nomenclature : Accueil or Main Page/fr for instance. I'm currently working on fr:Wikipédia:Projets frères and I would like to link the incubator from this page, but only if there's one in French. Let me know is I can help to translate the main page... Thanks a lot. --Antaya 01:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I created a new main page, Incubator:Main page, which has the same translation system as on MediaWiki.org, but it is still under construction (needs to be made prettier :p). The name would be Incubator:Main page/fr. SPQRobin 13:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

mg wikinews

I'd like to test a malagasy wikinews, and I marked it into the template, why the edit I made is hidden, I didn't understand ...

Jagwar ~ (homewiki) 11:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It is not for me. Probably a cache problem. --MF-W {a, b} 17:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Why have projects in the incubator that will never get a live project?

There are many projects in the incubator that have no request for a new project on meta. There are many projects that have been rejected for various reasons. What is the point of Incubator if not to have a project go live??

My practical problem is that I completely ignore Incubator because of all the stuff that is also there. The policy says that there has to be an ISO-639-3 code. For several projects there is none. Thanks, GerardM 09:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, they can be deleted and we also don't accept invalid codes. If you discover a "bad project", feel free to list it on I:RFD. --MF-W {a, b} 15:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

There is many cleanup work still to be done here on Incubator. Now there is good prevention for "bad projects" (mainly because of the {{test wiki}} template -- people *have to* give an ISO 639 code), but there are still many projects from several years ago that still need to be deleted, etc. SPQRobin 16:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Incubator Homepage

Hello, why there a link to only english langage sister projects? You should give links to the internationals portals: [2], [3], and so one instead. Otourly 13:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

(A bit late to answer) There are parameters to change the destination of each link, which can be used in translations so the link goes to the Wikipedia/Wiktionary/... in that language. SPQRobin 09:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Why is Dalmatian language ignored

I start about half year ago project of wikipedia on Vegliot Dalmatian language (revived historicaly language) , and project has now 4-5 collaborators and over 50 articles , but on all lists of test wikipedias , i can¨t find it. (code of dalmatian is dlm )

It's not there because nobody put it there. There is nobody who is in charge of the list or who adds every new test there, because this is a *wiki*. You can do it yourself by clicking on "add a test" at the right. SPQRobin 09:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

“Punjabi Wikipdia”

Didn't anyone notice this typo above? --41.201.174.28 18:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not important. Anyway, I corrected it. SPQRobin 10:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Test language tables?

I just got on this wiki and found a LOOOONG list of tables that takes up almost the entire Main Page. I would like to see them collapsed. Deathgleaner 20:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Template:L

Template:L does not work these days. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 06:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? Afaik it still works. SPQRobin 15:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

At least it do no longer work in Wp/kac. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 07:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)