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Input method

Hello. It is now possible to type Tifinagh regardless of your keyboard. When editing Wp/rif pages, you should see a menu next to your username at the top of the page. If you have any questions or feedback, please tell me. Thanks, SPQRobin 15:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

According to the Wikipedia article, ⵞ is "ch/sh" and ⴵ is "dj". They are not included on the keyboard of http://www.ircam.ma/fr/index.php?soc=telec&rd=2. For which keys should they be replaced? I.e. when you type which Latin letter, which Tifinagh letter should be displayed?

I would support a Berber project, but that doesn't stop a Tarifit project on its own. There are many languages that have both a Wikipedia in a standard language and various Wikipedias in the varieties/dialects. The problem is, as you mention in the mails, that it takes a lot of time and bureaucracy. But because "ber" is currently considered a collective code, only the different Berber languages can currently be approved on their own. Also, would a pan-Berber project be in both Tifinagh and Latin or only one of them (I would promote the native script). Btw, je kan Nederlands? Woon je misschien in Nederland of België, als ik dat mag vragen? SPQRobin 23:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Ik woon in België, in de buurt van Brussel. Maar Gerard woont in de buurt van Amsterdam. Dat kan misschien van pas komen. Dat geeft me het idee om bijvoorbeeld een bijeenkomst te organiseren voor Nederlandse/Belgische wikipedianen die een andere taal spreken waar nog geen grote community is.

I based the input tool on the IRCAM keyboard, which does not include ⵞ and ⴵ. I can add them to the input tool here, but under which keyboard combination should they be?

About the script conversion, I have experience indeed. In fact, I made it for Wp/shi (you can test it here -- see the arrow next to "discussion") which would be enabled here when version 1.19 of MediaWiki is deployed (planned for February/March 2012). I can make it for Wp/rif and Wp/ber as well. And of course it would be good if you can tell me whether it works correctly. The reason I made it for Wp/shi is because that Wikipedia can be approved in the near future, it is waiting for content verification (in fact I should probably contact IRCAM for that...).

Something else I would like to mention, we are able to add WebFonts support for Tifinagh, so it is correctly displayed for those who do not have the correct font installed on their computer. I contacted IRCAM whether they can release their fonts under a free license, but did not receive a reply so far.

Groeten, SPQRobin 01:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation about IRCAM, but I think you misunderstood my question. I can add ⵞ and ⴵ to the input tool, but for which Latin letters should they be added? I can add them for č and ǧ, but I don't think those letters are easy to type (I don't think I have them on my keyboard), so I don't know if that would help. Maybe when typing "ch" and "dj"?

I added the three letters to the conversion. (I will update the website where you can test it later.)

For the fonts: Hapax Berbère is free, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's under a free license. There is no explicit license...

I have set Tahoma as the font for ber, shi & rif. This will work for the last two, but not for "ber" because it is not (yet) recognised by MediaWiki.

Groeten, SPQRobin 01:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I know people can download a keyboard or use other tools, but it is always better to have one tool that anyone can easily use (the dropdown below the save button is much slower than the input method). The point of the input method is to make as easy as possible for as much people as possible. If the extended Latin letters are difficult to type, then we could perhaps create an input method for those letters as well.

I fixed the Ǧǧ in the edit tools (although I don't see any visible difference; but I know there's a difference).

About the extra conversions you gave, is that for the keyboard conversion (input) or text conversion (output) or both? For your information, the source is located at respectively [1] and [2].

About the problem with Wp/rif, that is probably because the input tool was enabled (if the edit form has a blue background). You can disable it again with Ctrl+M or via the menu at the top. I don't see any other possible problem... SPQRobin 18:56, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

For Tifinagh to Berber-Latin words with capitalized initials, I don't think there's a solution, as far as I see it is impossible to know which letters need capitalization (we could always make a short list of common words that need capitalization).

I wasn't planning to make an input tool for Berber-Latin letters, but I can certainly make that if that's desired. (Actually, if you would like to do it yourself, it is as simple as registering on Bugzilla and submitting a patch based on the file I linked.)

I don't have much time in January, but in February I will certainly take care of the changes you mention. By then the page (output) conversion should be available here on at least Wp/shi.

Groeten en (bijna) gelukkig nieuwjaar :) SPQRobin 22:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Aryaz. There was a test wiki Wp/amz which uses an incorrect language code. Do you know to which language the pages belong? To Wp/ber, Wp/shi, Wp/rif or Wp/tzm? I suppose the last one. SPQRobin 19:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)