Incubator:Administrators' noticeboard

This is the page to request attention from test administrators, administrators and bureaucrats. Note what they can do.

Administrators can:

  • protect and unprotect pages
  • delete and undelete pages
  • delete images and other uploaded files
  • block and unblock users
  • edit the interface and other protected pages
  • use the built-in rollback functionality

Test administrators can do the same (except protecting and unprotecting pages), but only within their tests (therefore they cannot edit the interface).

  • Exception: As rollback is only appropriate to use in cases of vandalism, test-administrators can use that feature anywhere they see vandalism.

Bureaucrats can do all the above, as well as:

  • grant administrator/bureaucrat status
  • grant/revoke test-administrator status
  • grant/revoke bot flags
  • rename users [now mostly obsolete in favor of global accounts and unified login]

Note: Only Stewards may remove adminship or bureaucratship. If you want this to be done go to Requests for permissions at the Meta-Wiki.

If there is no response, you may wish to try the IRC channel, #wikimedia-incubator.

  • For deletion requests, use I:RFD for test deletions and {{delete}} for speedy deletions.
  • For user rights (admins, test-admins, bots, ...) or renamings, see I:A.

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Current noticesEdit

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I added a protected edit request there. Jura1 (talk) 10:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Vandalism by IP on Wn/ladEdit

Hello users, on Wn/lad (see the project's history) there was 2 cases of vandalism by the same IP. And I have to revert, revert and still reverting... so someone can protect it temporarily to only autoconfirmed? Greetings, <atomi20>¿some problem? 10:01 AM, (UTC -5) 30 June 2021

The IP has been blocked. --MF-W {a, b} 09:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Category creation requestEdit

Could you please create Category:Pages using DynamicPageList with ___HIDDENCAT___ as its content? The category shall appear on all pages using DPL - devs use it to better understand how DPL is used after the otuage caused by ru.wn. - Xbspiro (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[]

I see there is already phabricator:T287702 to make these categories hidden. Can we just wait for it or is there additional benefit to that page existing? --MF-W {a, b} 22:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[]
No need to rush, if a solution is on its way, you may let it be as it is. - Xbspiro (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Unable to edit contents on pageEdit

Hello Sir,

I am trying to edit this article by changing the template from {{Wp/ii/Infobox ꁍꇩ| }} to {{Wp/ii/Infobox ꁍꇩ2| }}

however I received this automated error message:

Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: telephone support spam

I am not trying to insert spam but to replace an existing template to a more refined template on an existing page. Could you please help remove this automated error message from my edits, Thank you. --ꑸꀘꒀ (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Even if I try to create a new article using the previous template: {{Wp/ii/Infobox ꁍꇩ| }}, the same error message would be displayed and it would not let me save the page. Please help disable the error message so I can edit and create new articles using those two templates, Thank you. --ꑸꀘꒀ (talk) 02:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I wish to create this new article: <content removed>
User:ꑸꀘꒀ: Please try again now. The problem (it is reported about in somewhat cryptical terms here: m:Stewards'_noticeboard#Mucked_up_an_abuse_filter) should be solved now. --MF-W {a, b} 13:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[]
MF-W Thankyou very much. Problem is now solved. --ꑸꀘꒀ (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Delete redirects by prefixEdit

Hi! Can someone delete all pages starting with Wn/lad/Xablón:? You can see all the pages here. Cheers, atomi20¿some problem? 01:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Done! --MF-W {a, b} 18:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Trying to creat Wp/hhjmEdit

Hello! Recently I've tried to creat Wp/hhjm on the Incubator, but it doesn't works because this language (Hachijō) only has a ISO 639-6 code... Can someone help me please! Jsph457 (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Due to phab:T280742, MediaWiki:Gadget-SpaceSavingIOL.css will no longer work as expected (see Help:Manual for an example). To fix this, change {
	display: inline;


.mw-pt-languages .mw-pt-languages-list {
	display: inline;
	margin: 0;

AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 10:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

move requestEdit

Hello! I would like to request to move the following pages to MediaWiki namespaces for Wp/blk test wiki. Thanks.

- NinjaStrikers «» 15:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 23:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Wb/shn css/jsEdit

Please move User:Saimawnkham/MediaWiki:Wb/shn/Common.css to MediaWiki:Wb/shn/Common.css and User:Saimawnkham/MediaWiki:Wb/shn/Common.js to MediaWiki:Wb/shn/Common.js. I copied these from en.wikibooks. Thanks.Saimawnkham (talk) 02:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

User:Saimawnkham: both pages import multiple subpages (which do not exist here, but probably on en.wikibooks). I believe this won't work. --MF-W {a, b} 22:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks.Saimawnkham (talk) 14:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]
It might be an idea to copy all of this code into your personal css / js pages first and try to get it working. -- MF-W {a, b} 16:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Blocking new pagesEdit

I'm trying to create a new page on wp/tmr but it says that the page has no valid code. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eliahu21 (discussioncontribs) 20:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC).[]

I fixed this as Wp/tmr already existed. --MF-W {a, b} 21:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Unable to create Wp/bre/Main Page.Edit

Is Braille supposed to be a language supported by Wikipedia, and if it is supported for Wikipedia, what is the iso 639 code of Braille?


— The preceding unsigned comment was added by GoalkeeperPanda (discussioncontribs) 20:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC).[]

Braille is not a language, but a writing system. So, no. The code "bre" is assigned to the Breton language, which however uses its 639-1 code br:. --MF-W {a, b} 09:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[]
oh ok, sorry for the inconveninece.
Thank you,
GoalkeeperPanda GoalkeeperPanda (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Unable to create Wp/mhjEdit

I'm trying to create moghol wikipedia(Wp/mhj) but it says that the page has no valid code. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ㅎㄱㄱㄹ예 (discussioncontribs) 11:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC).[]

That's because the language is extinct. --MF-W {a, b} 14:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I know that the Mogol language is currently spoken by 200 people. Isn't right?--ㅎㄱㄱㄹ {a, b} 14:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If you don't know, you certainly don't speak it, right? -- MF-W {a, b} 16:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you for replying. ㅎㄱㄱㄹ예 (talk) 23:15, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]


This is their sock per cswp, seems to continue the behaviour of the master. For attention please. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Blocked. --MF-W {a, b} 13:37, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:43, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Unable to create new page in Wp/sjnEdit

Houston, we had a problem. I tried to create new page in project Wp/sjn, and can't do that.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Hello! I get message "You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code." when I tried to create new page in Wp/sjn. What is that?--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Let me repeat my query. I get an error "This code either is not valid or does not belong to a language accepted for new Wikimedia projects." when I try to create a new page under Wp/Sjn. Is there anything I can do about this so that I can continue to develop the section Wp/Sjn?--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 05:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi. Sindarin is a fictional language and is not eligible as a language for new projects under the LPP. In order for you to develop it, you must first obtain eligibility for the language. --Sotiale (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Sotiale, thank you very much for your response! I want to clarify this question. I have previously communicated about this language and received permission to develop the project in Sindarin, which I have been doing until recently. Moreover - until the end of August I translated Wikipedia interface messages in Sindarin and almost finished working on Core module messages faced with the problem of inability to continue working on it. I am currently in talks about keeping it, because in my opinion it is one of those languages that is very underrated within the Wikipedia project. I really hope we can come to a consensus, and I will do my best to develop this project. It is a very good, informative and flexible language with great possibilities, but because of so many problems I just do not get the opportunity to develop it, and this whole situation really hurts me. I trained a neural network, and I spent many days building a text corpus for it, I have reconstructed hundreds of words, I wrote a dozen programs to dynamically extend it, and I wouldn't want my work to go in the trash. I apologize for the excessive emotionality, and very much hope for understanding.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Calad-ne-dúath: As you may know, the current policy is not intended to disparage your efforts or thwart your will. Perhaps, users who are fluent in languages that have been denied eligibility have made a lot of effort to acquire and study the language that is not basically their native language. That would be something that any user learning a foreign language would relate to. In addition to Sindarin, there are several fictional languages, but the policy stipulates that none of them are eligible. This is not a matter of values in language; this is basically because there are no native speakers of these languages and they cannot be. Since the current policy, in principle, denies the eligibility for fictional languages, including Sindarin, if you want to make a project about Sindarin, you should first obtain eligibility. And I have a question, where did you received the development permission for Sindarin? --Sotiale (talk) 22:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, @Sotiale. Thank you very much for your attention and for your response. What you have written is not the problem. Let me dispel your doubts and misconceptions:
  1. There are studies on the subject of fictional languages, and their number probably tends to the total number of people who have ever lived on earth. Sindarin is spoken by millions of people around the world. Because of its prevalence, Sindarin is even recognized as an international language. It is written and spoken, and is the subject of large online and print communities. It is so easy to learn that it is similar to Esperanto, another fictional language. People learn Sindarin in two weeks.
  2. Separately, I note that Wikipedia already contains sections written in fictional languages, although there obviously cannot be any native speakers, because all people who speak Esperanto learn it in addition to their Muttersprache. I'm not sure how much this detail fits into Wikipedia's language policy.
  3. You ask where I got permission. The answer is: I applied to the Language Committee of Wikipedia. I created a topic called Wikipedia Edhellen, and there I discussed the project idea with people. The number of people I talked to included, for example, the skeptical Liuxinyu970226. Our discussion was very interesting and informative, during which we learned a lot. There I presented my arguments in favor of creating a project in Sindarin. In the course of that discussion, I translated a couple of lines of text into Sindarin. That text contained some concepts of modern everyday life, such as the word "fractal". The administrator of Prosfilaes was interested in the idea of the project, and gave me permission to develop it. I respect these people and am very grateful to them.
  4. Later, a request was created to add a language section on Sindarin, where I also added a number of relevant arguments for the existence of the project:
  5. When I started working on the project, I successfully translated several articles, undertook translation of the interface, and met no obstacles in the process. I did not encounter the problems cited by skeptics when discussing the idea of a language section in the Language Committee, such as the size of the lexicon (the Sindarin lexicon can reach the size of billions of words), or any other. The need for specific terms is solved by simple word-formation rules in Sindarin, translation automation is easily accomplished with special programs, a neural network, and my own manual error correction. But I chose Sindarin not for the sake of realizing some ambitions, but because of its underestimation, because for all its possibilities, ease of learning, beauty and vividness of sound, with the authorship of Tolkien himself, who participated in creating international languages such as Esperanto, this particular language is not represented in Wikipedia to this day. At the same time, I know of cases where enthusiastic fathers have spoken common artificial languages to their children, raising them from an early age as speakers of those languages. It would be a survivor's mistake to assume that there are no such speakers for the Sindarin language.
  6. Among my later arguments for the existence of a language section in Sindarin, I added an argument about the possibilities of the Sindarin language section, but I think I did not express it clearly enough. I simplify the task of translating large and complex texts with self-written programs. Using the rules of word formation Sindarin, I manually reconstruct the words I need, and refine a program that helps me do this. I assume this technique is useful for those who would like to translate Wikipedia into languages of small nations or ancient states. I remember an administrator commenting on the likely value of sections of Wikipedia written in ancient languages and the existence of a demand for such sections. I have firsthand knowledge of a large number of natural languages, and am familiar with the grammar used by some ancient languages, such as the language of ancient Egypt. Every language has patterns that can be expressed in program code and used in translation. But I don't want to participate in other projects, because it's not serious. The language project is not a toy, it is a big undertaking, the results of which will be seen and appreciated by the whole world.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  1. I am not an administrator, and I surely did not give you permission to do anything. Moreover, Esperanto is not a fictional language, at least by the definitions everyone else is using; it is an artificial language. A fictional language is one created as the language of a fictional people or a fictional world, of which Sindarin and Klingon are the most major examples.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    Please forgive me and thank you very much for your comment and support. I probably made a mistake or confused the person who granted me access to work on the project. However, the fact is that I was still granted access. As far as I know, the Wp/Sjn project had remote status before I applied to the Language Committee. I am very grateful to all those who participated in that discussion and helped me with the organization of this project. It cannot be overstated.
    Let us return to the topic of our discussion. Regarding these two languages, Esperanto and Sindarin, I can say that regardless of their purpose, they share an artificial origin. Both have equally full-fledged grammar and rules. Based on the language policy of Wikipedia mentioned above, neither of these two languages can have native speakers and their knowledge can only be acquired.
    But I repeat: there are cases where people have been taught artificial languages from birth, including fictional languages. This circumstance obviously makes these people speakers of fictional languages. But we know of a small number of such cases because they have been covered in one way or another by the press. However, with such a small sample, our information about speakers of a particular fictional language cannot be complete, and a statement about their complete absence cannot be considered scientific for lack of documentary evidence.
    For as long as the Sindarin language has existed, several generations have changed. Sindarin has attracted the attention of people, and is now not only the language of fictional people - it is spoken by real people in the real world. For this reason, whatever the original purpose of Sindarin, it now serves as a full-fledged means of communication and information transfer, and does not suffer from attachment to the realities of the fictional world and the people for whom it was created.
    Thus, we conclude that the absence of native carriers of Sindarin is not a scientific fact, and the original use within the fictional world is not a criterion for placing Sindarin on the ban lists on the criteria of inability to transmit the necessary information, or any other. The practical fact is the prevalence of Sindarin in the world, and its active study and use by people. I propose to look at the situation from a new angle and take Sindarin into consideration as one of the current languages, a section in which it can be of benefit to the whole world.
    Thank you for your attention.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 06:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Well.. I went through this page you put up, but still the status is 'submitted' and no langcom member has marked the proposal as eligible. If you want a Sindarin project, you will have to convince langcom, not the users here. If you have received development permission(?) from someone at langcom, the status should change. Otherwise, you are just convincing other users. And this is why I keep saying that you must obtain eligibility. Also this is why I'm not discussing with you, just mentioning general principles. --Sotiale (talk) 12:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you for your response. Okay, I will try to develop all the above-mentioned topics in the text of the application and organize a dialogue with the Language Committee. But I repeat: there are a number of limitations that I cannot overcome, which will not allow me to complete all the items in the application. This is a systemic problem, and systemic problems require systemic solutions. Dialogue is a very important part of solving complex problems, the outcome of which cannot be influenced by one person alone. Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Missing links on Special:Contributions for en-gbEdit

Could someone copy MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer to MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer/en-gb so that the links at the bottom of Special:Contributions are available when using en-gb as the interface language? They're currently missing. :( - Nikki (talk) 14:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]