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Gross Domestic Product (GDP)

GDP can be translated into ⲡⲓϧⲓⲥⲓ `ⲛⲣⲉⲙⲛⲏⲓ ⲉⲧϫⲏⲕ. ϧⲓⲥⲓ(ⲡ): product of labour, ⲣⲉⲙⲛⲏⲓ: domestic, and ϫⲏⲕ(ⲉϥ): complete/total. I am also okay with replacing ϧⲓⲥⲓ(ⲡ) with ⲙⲓⲥⲓ(ⲡ) to mean product (fruit). Moreover, we can also use ⲡⲓⲛⲏⲟⲩ ⲉϧⲟⲩⲛ which means income to replace ⲡⲓϧⲓⲥⲓ. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 00:26, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know ϧⲓⲥⲓ with this meaning, but I'd be fine with it. You seem to know what you're talking about haha :) Also, speaking of the country infobox, I want to ask you how you would translate country names into Coptic, for instance Afghanistan. So far, I (but also the other contributors) tried to replace sounds like ghain with ⲅ and use ⲫ ⲑ ⲭ for p t k, respectively. For combinations like sht tsh st ts, we rather stayed with ϣⲧ ⲧϣ ⲥⲧ ⲧⲥ (as this seemed to be the usual way to render it). The most important thing is, however, that we are consistent. (Except for cases, where there is a common word in Coptic already: It's always ⲓⲧⲁⲗⲓⲁ and never ⲓⲑⲁⲗⲓⲁ.)

--ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Due to the absence of an organizing entity for the Coptic language, I mainly started this talk so that we have our records of how we introduced/constructed new vocabulary (e.g., for this Template), and I would recommend that we do so for all new vocabulary as well (for other pages/templates). For the word ϧⲓⲥⲓ you can find that meaning at page 637b in Moawad's dictionary (also in Crum) where it is derived from the meaning 'كد', but again I am okay with using any of the other two words if it makes more sense (changes are cheap as this is a Template). Thanks, but I would also like to add that I am still a newbie who is trying to learning the language, but it is better to learn by eating your own dog food :). --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 07:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

In regards to the translation of names such as country names, I am definitely okay with using ⲫ ⲑ ⲭ for p t k as I am an enthusiast for the original (pre-reform) pronunciation of the Bohairic dialect. However, since ⲫ & ⲭ can mainly be exchanged with ⲡ & ⲕ, it is okay to accept them as possible synonyms, and just redirect them. As for the ⲧ, I would prefer to use it as the Latin T only at the end of the word, and otherwise use ⲑ (unless of course it is a common word like you said). For example, the word ⲓⲑⲁⲗⲓⲁ makes more sense to me than ⲓⲧⲁⲗⲓⲁ, but since the latter is more common, I am fine with using it (the latter) (we can also accept both with redirection). ϣ and ϭ should be the same (as before the reform) but personally I tend to use ϭ for the 'tch' voice. Again, we are having such issues due the absence of an organizing entity. Finally, I suggest mentioning those rules somewhere easy to find by new contributors. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 07:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

One more thing, I prefer, personally, to rely on Arabic (or even English in some cases) than Greek for new names. Long time ago, it made sense to use Greek which was the second language in Egypt, but now it is not. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 07:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with all you said. So, to put it in practice, how would you call Portugal in Coptic? ⲡⲟⲣⲧⲟⲅⲁⲗⲓⲁ if it comes from Greek, ⲫⲟⲣⲑⲟⲩⲕⲁⲗ if we take it from Portuguese itself, or ⲁⲗⲡⲟⲣⲑⲟⲅⲁⲗ from Arabic? In this case, I somehow prefer the name from Portuguese itself, also because the only reason why we would write ⲡ in the 'Arabic' version is because Arabic lacks a p, and in Coptic, this would look a bit arbitrary. I also don't like to draw on Greek too much, I definitely prefer Greek to English, however. --ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Human Development Index (HDI)

I translated HDI as ⲡⲓⲣⲉϥϯⲙⲏⲓⲛⲓ `ⲙ`ⲡϫⲓⲛⲁⲓⲁⲓ `ⲛⲣⲱⲙⲓ. The word ⲣⲉϥϯⲙⲏⲓⲛⲓ can mean an indicator (see Moawad's dictionary p.151a), ϫⲓⲛⲁⲓⲁⲓ: growth or increase. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 02:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Language (ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ)

When referring to a majority language, I use ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ `ⲛϫⲟⲙ (between brackets for clarification). However, I use ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲉⲧⲉⲛϩⲟⲧ for an official language. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 04:06, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Works fine for me! -ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 26 August 2017

Categories

How can we handle the problem that not every category is needed for every country and that the not-needed category don't show up? I just created the category king, and now king is showing up in every page... -ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 5 October 2017

I will fix it. Anyway, you need to use the if macro. For example, replace:

|'''ⲡⲓⲟⲩⲣⲟ''' |{{{king}}} |-

with:

{{#if: {{{king|}}} |<tr><td>'''ⲡⲓⲟⲩⲣⲟ'''</td><td>{{{king}}}</td></tr> }}

--ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

The problem with the if macro, is that you can't use the wiki syntax within the macro (as you might already have noticed), you will have to fallback to basic html syntax. Hope that helped :) --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

ϯϣⲉⲡ ϩⲙⲟⲧ `ⲛⲧⲟⲧⲕ :-) -ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk)

`ⲙⲙⲟⲛ `ϩⲗⲓ. --ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ (talk) 23:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)